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Topic: 6 albums run: Black Sabbath VS Rush?
Posted By: TexasKing
Subject: 6 albums run: Black Sabbath VS Rush?
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 15:53
Which run of 6 albums you prefer: by Black Sabbath - s/t, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage or Rush - 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures and Signals? 

I am a big fan of both bands but I think Sabbath are a bit stronger here. 



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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 16:14
Sabbath, of course. One of the greatest unbroken sequences of albums in the history of rock.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 16:30
Sabbath, and you could have lumped all the Rush albums together and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 16:45
Oh man. I'm going to have to think about this one. No bad albums here for sure. 


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 17:11
I love both bands, and all these albums. I went with Rush.
 
Now, if Sabbath's run went from Sabbath Bloody Sabbath up through Mob Rules, it would be a much tighter race!


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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 17:37
Sabbath all the way.

Master of Reality of my personal favourite.
Sabotage was some classic innovation in the Thrash metal and speed metal area

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 17:42
Ok, I pulled the trigger and voted for Rush. That said I like those Sabbath albums a lot. I even saw them last year on their farewell tour. The weird thing is I wore my Rush shirt to that show(I was the only person there wearing a Rush shirt(that I saw)). So, I chose Rush mainly just because I am more of a fan of them than I am of BS even though I like BS a lot too. 


Posted By: Larkstongue41
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 19:54
I only like Black Sabbath s/t :( Rush for me.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 19:56
Rush, but not by much. Both excellent bands.


Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 20:22
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Sabbath, of course. One of the greatest unbroken sequences of albums in the history of rock.

THIS


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 20:50
I'm not really sure, and I haven't heard all the Sabbath albums involved. But in this site I thought Rush would have won the poll... or at least give a tighter fight... still, the poll may evolve differently later on.


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 03:12
Rush easily.

I like the first 3 Sabbath albums, but the next 3 are just OK.

But I love Hemispheres, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures and 2112 and A Farewell to Kings are pretty good too.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 04:08
Rush, and I'm amazed at the results of the poll so far. I love Sabbath, but Rush are in a different league IMO.

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 06:18
Rush easily. Nothing against Sabbath. great band with great output but Rush is my favorite and that particular run of Rush albums is my favorite of their catalogue

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 06:25
Rush by a long ways for me

Sabbath is also cool of course


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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 09:30
Black Sabbath ***½
Paranoid *****
Master of Reality *****
Vol 4 ****
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath ****½
Sabotage ****½

2112 ****
A Farewell to Kings *****
Hemispheres *****
Permanent Waves *****
Moving Pictures *****
Signals ****½

Two of the best runs in history in my opinion, if not the best.


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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 09:48
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Rush, and I'm amazed at the results of the poll so far. I love Sabbath, but Rush are in a different league IMO.


^ This

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 09:49
Rush

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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 12:49
Rush by nose.


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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 13:16
Rush, more variation in the music.

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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 14:46
Black Sabbath, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is the only 3 star album out of the rest of those being 5 stars.

2112, A Farewell to Kings, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures are all 5 star albums for me, but Hemispheres and Signals (While both still good) are weaker.


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 14:54
It's Rush as the cream of their collection is assigned to this poll (I'm sure the same could be said about the 'Sabbath on hand). I simply could never digest that much 'Sabbath.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 19:51
Rush

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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 21:34
I'll go Rush. Farewell to Kings is pretty crap but so is Sabbath debut

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Posted By: bankstatement
Date Posted: June 05 2017 at 21:41
These are both a great selection of albums. It's real tough, but I went with Black Sabbath. IMO, they were a bit more consistent than Rush.


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 09:23
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:


I'll go Rush. Farewell to Kings is pretty crap but so is Sabbath debut
You're not exactly out to win friends and influence people here, are you, pal?

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 09:32
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:


I'll go Rush. Farewell to Kings is pretty crap but so is Sabbath debut
You're not exactly out to win friends and influence people here, are you, pal?

Indeed. Someone get the tar and feathers.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 10:23
Sabbath for me. I don't care much for 2112 or AFtK.


Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 12:13
Wow!.... BS giving Rush a run for their money just on a Canadian Prog Rock Forum poll............GO SABBATH GO!.. hahah

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 12:47
Originally posted by Upbeat Tango Monday Upbeat Tango Monday wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Rush, and I'm amazed at the results of the poll so far. I love Sabbath, but Rush are in a different league IMO.


^ This

That's pretty much exactly how I feel too. It's like this though. There would be no metal without Sabbath and no prog metal without Rush.


Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 12:58
Sabbath by a good bit.

Better get more tar-n-feathers as I prefer Rush's first album over some of those others...


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 15:55
To be honest I don't play that much Sabbath or Rush these days...but in the end I'd rather listen to Rush over an extended period of time than Sabbath who would eventually give me a headache.

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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 06 2017 at 16:49
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:


I'll go Rush. Farewell to Kings is pretty crap but so is Sabbath debut
You're not exactly out to win friends and influence people here, are you, pal?


Well if you are only friends with people who love farewell to kings I guess not lol

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 07 2017 at 15:56
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

There would be no metal without Sabbath and no prog metal without Rush.
 
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Posted By: **xyzzy**
Date Posted: June 07 2017 at 17:16
Love 'em both to death, but ultimately I find Rush vastly more interesting to listen to.


Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: June 07 2017 at 17:57
Rush is technically much superior in my opinion  !!!


Posted By: TexasKing
Date Posted: June 08 2017 at 01:53
Originally posted by maryes maryes wrote:

Rush is technically much superior in my opinion  !!!

There's not everything about a technical superiority nor quality of music. In some other fields Sabbath outclass Rush. 


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 05:46
Sabbath

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 07:20
Sabbath


Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 09:25
Rush!

Sabbath has some musical moments, but Rush is far more consistently musical and interesting, with new ideas.

btw I love Farewell to Kings! It is my favourite Rush album (by a hair - over Moving Pictures which is second for me).


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 10:20
Rush - some of these albums are near perfection. However, have to say that Sabbath's initial run was a strong as any other rock band

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 11:21
Why I choose Sabbath is that I love all those albums in that poll, Moving Pictures & Signals are weaker to me than Rush seventies albums.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 11:32
Sabbath very easily, probably the strongest run by any band ever.

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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 13:20
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Sabbath very easily, probably the strongest run by any band ever.
 
Nuff said.


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 13:28
Undoubtedly an unfair contest, even on this forum, I expected Sabbath would be easily knocking the Canadians out.....

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 13 2018 at 14:10
Black Sabbath


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 13:54
Rush's best six album run was Caress Of Steel to Moving Pictures. Signals is weak.


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 14:02
But what's the best six album run ever?
Yes: The Yes Album to Going For The One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme to Wind And Withering
XTC: Drums & Wires to Skylarking
Jethro Tull: Stand Up to War Child
Guided By Voices: Propeller to Mag Earwhig
Deerhoof: Reveille to Offend Maggie
King Crimson: Lizard to Discipline
Neal Morse: Testimony to Testimony 2
Spock's Beard: The Light to Snow
Kansas: Kansas to Monolith
The Beatles: Rubber Soul to Abbey Road


Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 14:19
Rush



Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 16:37
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

But what's the best six album run ever?
Yes: The Yes Album to Going For The One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme to Wind And Withering
XTC: Drums & Wires to Skylarking
Jethro Tull: Stand Up to War Child
Guided By Voices: Propeller to Mag Earwhig
Deerhoof: Reveille to Offend Maggie
King Crimson: Lizard to Discipline
Neal Morse: Testimony to Testimony 2
Spock's Beard: The Light to Snow
Kansas: Kansas to Monolith
The Beatles: Rubber Soul to Abbey Road
Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill to Aja

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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 18:43
Sabbath by a mile.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 19:51
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

But what's the best six album run ever?
Yes: The Yes Album to Going For The One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme to Wind And Withering
XTC: Drums & Wires to Skylarking
Jethro Tull: Stand Up to War Child
Guided By Voices: Propeller to Mag Earwhig
Deerhoof: Reveille to Offend Maggie
King Crimson: Lizard to Discipline
Neal Morse: Testimony to Testimony 2
Spock's Beard: The Light to Snow
Kansas: Kansas to Monolith
The Beatles: Rubber Soul to Abbey Road

Still Black Sabbath


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 04 2018 at 20:13
Rush without a doubt in my mind. A band that can be hard-edged when necessary, but also complicated and emotionally rewarding. I never cared anything about Black Sabbath and really find this poll to be a ridiculous one as both groups’ aims couldn’t be more different.

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 04 2018 at 20:15
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Rush's best six album run was Caress Of Steel to Moving Pictures. Signals is weak.

Signals is one of my favorite albums! From 2112 to Hold Your Fire, I don’t think they made one misstep. Remarkable albums.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 03:41
Rush although I love Black Sabbath 

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 07:59
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Rush although I love Black Sabbath 

If you didn’t choose Rush, I would scream at you and demand you take your avatar off and choose a new one! Big smile


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 08:33
Sabbath was always a limited band regarding musical ideas and playing ability.....I stopped being interested after Paranoid....maybe Master....but Rush continued to explore new ground and ideas both lyrically and musically.
 
As far as the best run......please......in the end there can be only one..........
The best 6 album run...make it 7 albums.....the mighty Led Zeppelin.




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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 13:53
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

From 2112 to Hold Your Fire, I don’t think they made one misstep. Remarkable albums.
Power Windows doesn't even belong in that group as it rates high on the Suck Meter. Uninspired and messy.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 05 2018 at 17:01
I interrupt this poll to bring breaking news! On PA's very own top 250 album list, 2112 is currently at 211 right before 212. Like whooooooahhhhh! 

211
4.11 | 1932 ratings
QWR = 4.0994
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3070" rel="nofollow - 2112
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609" rel="nofollow - Rush
Heavy Prog
Studio, 1976
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3070#buymusic" rel="nofollow - 212
4.14 | 566 ratings
QWR = 4.0993
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=135" rel="nofollow - Gryphon
Prog Folk
Studio, 1974

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 00:02
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Rush's best six album run was Caress Of Steel to Moving Pictures. Signals is weak.
Well, I think Fly By Night is as great as Caress Of Steel, also I really like Signals much more than albums after that. Specially Hold Your Fire is really boring album.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 00:04
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Sabbath was always a limited band regarding musical ideas and playing ability.....I stopped being interested after Paranoid....maybe Master....but Rush continued to explore new ground and ideas both lyrically and musically.
 
As far as the best run......please......in the end there can be only one..........
The best 6 album run...make it 7 albums.....the mighty Led Zeppelin.


No. Zeppelin made only five albums great run, from first to Houses Of Holy. You´re really thinking Masters Of Reality, Vol.4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath & Sapotage are not interested?


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:02
^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 11:30
^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 14:01
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

;)




Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 14:04
rush 

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 19:44
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Rush although I love Black Sabbath 

If you didn’t choose Rush, I would scream at you and demand you take your avatar off and choose a new one! Big smile


There is no band that I would choose over Rush 

LOL


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 06 2018 at 20:33
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.

I would have to agree with Dr. Wu and completely disagree with you, Mortte. Physical Graffiti represents Zeppelin at their zenith. The album has everything from full-blown prog to down-home blues, from metal to funk to dreamy acoustic. I would say only Vol. IV is better, but not by much. 


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 07 2018 at 03:23
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Rush's best six album run was Caress Of Steel to Moving Pictures. Signals is weak.


I sometimes don't understand the adoration for Signals either. The Fountain of Lamneth outclasses everything, bar Subdivisions on Signals IMO. (Subdivisions may qualify as my overall favourite all time Rush song.....this week)

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:49
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.

I would have to agree with Dr. Wu and completely disagree with you, Mortte. Physical Graffiti represents Zeppelin at their zenith. The album has everything from full-blown prog to down-home blues, from metal to funk to dreamy acoustic. I would say only Vol. IV is better, but not by much. 

Your check is in the mail......but seriously Zep's albums crush any other streak....imo.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:50
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

;)



Thank God for Gilmore's guitar otherwise they would have been a very mediocre band.

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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: June 08 2018 at 17:34
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

But what's the best six album run ever?
Yes: The Yes Album to Going For The One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme to Wind And Withering
XTC: Drums & Wires to Skylarking
Jethro Tull: Stand Up to War Child
Guided By Voices: Propeller to Mag Earwhig
Deerhoof: Reveille to Offend Maggie
King Crimson: Lizard to Discipline
Neal Morse: Testimony to Testimony 2
Spock's Beard: The Light to Snow
Kansas: Kansas to Monolith
The Beatles: Rubber Soul to Abbey Road
A good idea to look at 6 album runs of other bands....
Have to say that Genesis from 'Trespass' to 'A Trick of the Tail" takes some beating! However, have to say Spock's Beard hit a good run early on too! Zeppelin too!

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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 09 2018 at 05:28
Sabbath and Rush...


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:18
Rush no contest.  That batch was INCREDIBLE, every last one of them, and they progressed so greatly throughout the period, making such a variety of great music, but all incredibly worthy.  

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:40
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:50
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  

I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.


I'm not a huge Sabbath fan, but I count as a primate, and well, while tastes are subjective, I am inclined to disagree. I generally don't like to make best sort-of claims about such things, but my favourites are from 1970 to 1975. As said elsewhere, I do try to remain agnostic on various matters, and if compelling evidence or a very compelling argument arises for the veracity of such claims, then my opinion is open to change.

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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:03
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  Also Tony Iommi lays out his best solos on those later albums (although his riffs were more iconic on the earlier ones).  And above all, Geezer Butler finally emerges as one of the greatest bassists in rock history.  His bass lines on those albums rival those of the likes of Lee/Squier/Entwistle/Harris.  As great as early Sabbath was, there's really no topping Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules.  


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:06
^Nothing against DIO, but to me those albums haven´t ever sound Sabbath at all.


Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:12
Well, they do have a very different sound to them. It's almost like two different groups, even aside from having a different vocalist.  


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 14:44
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evilJust one calorie."




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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 14:50
* spits a very fine porter all over monitor*

God you are precious Greg...

'the Diet Coke of Evil'....  hahahhaha


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:02
oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:04
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh here we go..... the better half wanted to know why I was laughing so hard ....

You can blame it on me, and then have her go spam my Facebook.


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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:06
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evilJust one calorie."



Yes two very distinct vocal personalities. And if you're looking for pure evil incarnate, 70's Ozzy is gonna' be your guy.  But this is music after all, and ya' gotta' admit, that little Dio elf had a monster set of pipes.  Range and power Ozzy could only dream of.  


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:06
you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:07
As a huge fan of the first two Dio-era albums (I count Heaven and Hell as one of my Top 10 albums of all time), I have to agree with Greg here. The main reason why I've never been able to warm to Live Evil is that RJD's voice just did not work on the band's Ozzy-era classics. Songs like "Iron Man" or "War Pigs" are Ozzy's and Ozzy's alone, and no one else can do them justice. Dio, as great a voice as he had, was not at his best when singing other people's material. His performance of "Mistreated" on Rainbow's live album offers further proof of that. Being a technically gifted singer does not mean your voice will work equally well on all kinds of material.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:08
whoo hooo!!!!

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Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:09
Oh agreed with regard to Live Evil.  Dio just couldn't deliver those Ozzy songs with any authenticity.  


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:13
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

I. Couldn't. Leave. Mesmerized. By. Russian. Propaganda. Memes.

Besides, I can be much more malevolent without insufferable moderation. Raff did like my rant on a group of crazy Catholics wanting to have JRR Tolkien canonized because he wrote Lord of the Rings.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:15
lmao.. hell yeah....I heard about that rant

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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:18
Live Evil. Yeah. First of all don't nick your album title from Miles. Second, don't try and deliver songs designed for the vocal cords of the undead stoner doom king of Birmingham if your vocalist is a 3’ tall opera-singing elf from New Hampshire.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:19
wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:21
hahah..  poor RJD.  Taking it on the chin today...

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:22
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.

Oh, I've never been banned either. Although I seem to recall having several posts edited for opinions detrimental to the imbeciles I was mocking.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:24
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you are on Facebook...  I figured you a better man than me and would have left that rat trap in the dust.

I. Couldn't. Leave. Mesmerized. By. Russian. Propaganda. Memes.

Besides, I can be much more malevolent without insufferable moderation. Raff did like my rant on a group of crazy Catholics wanting to have JRR Tolkien canonized because he wrote Lord of the Rings.


You bet I didWink! I had already read about that somewhere, and thought it was one of the most idiotic proposals I'd heard in a long time. As you aptly wrote in your post, Tolkien would've been the first to disagree with the idea.

Anyway, I voted for the Sabs - and I like Rush quite a bit. Great music is not just a question of technical proficiency, as also illustrated by early Pink Floyd.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:28
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

wait.. wait just a minute.

did you say moderation? Surely you weren't talking about this site were you.  Point in case, myself, who never once has been banned and there were times I was trying to get the f**king admins to do so.

Oh, I've never been banned either. Although I seem to recall having several posts edited for opinions detrimental to the imbeciles I was mocking.

several.. I would have thought more. Then again you came a bit late to the O.K Corral. You would have loved it and likely would have been drafted into my team of cutthroats, knee breakers and ass kickers. This site was truly wild early on.

oh you are talking to the undisputed king of hidden, and delted posts.. along with the never be touched record holder of deleted PM's from admins threatening me to lay off the women, children and limp dicked.

Good times...


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:30
yeah... right darling. Back on topic.

an easy vote for Sabbath. It takes more than the Necromancer to top what Sabbath did.


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 15:54

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:


Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."



Nope.  You're dead wrong dude!  Dio was the double Black of evil...... nuff said.




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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 22 2018 at 21:40
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Rush no contest.  That batch was INCREDIBLE, every last one of them, and they progressed so greatly throughout the period, making such a variety of great music, but all incredibly worthy.  

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  


For me, Sabbath's best album is Reunion. It's got just about the best songs from the 70's, and are upgraded and made much heavier. I enjoy just about all of them over their studio versions. On the other hand, I do consider Dio to be a much better singer.


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: July 23 2018 at 00:06
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Well, they do have a very different sound to them. It's almost like two different groups, even aside from having a different vocalist.  
I think that´s the main problem for me. That sound Sabbath got with Ozzy is the only Sabbath sound to me. Dio-albums reminds me his later own band sound. Nothing against it, but it just haven´t ever hit me like that earlier Sabbath sound. I really love also their 13 album, but all the other Sabbath albums have never hit me.


Posted By: DarkTower
Date Posted: July 23 2018 at 20:44
Rush would get my vote



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