Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Polls
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 6 albums run: Black Sabbath VS Rush?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

6 albums run: Black Sabbath VS Rush?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>
Poll Question: 6 albums run: Black Sabbath VS Rush?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
72 [55.81%]
57 [44.19%]
You can not vote in this poll

Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Mortte View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 11 2016
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 5538 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 00:04
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Sabbath was always a limited band regarding musical ideas and playing ability.....I stopped being interested after Paranoid....maybe Master....but Rush continued to explore new ground and ideas both lyrically and musically.
 
As far as the best run......please......in the end there can be only one..........
The best 6 album run...make it 7 albums.....the mighty Led Zeppelin.


No. Zeppelin made only five albums great run, from first to Houses Of Holy. You´re really thinking Masters Of Reality, Vol.4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath & Sapotage are not interested?
Back to Top
dr wu23 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20624 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 10:02
^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

;)


Edited by dr wu23 - June 06 2018 at 10:05
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
Back to Top
Mortte View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 11 2016
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 5538 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 11:30
^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43772 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 14:01
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

;)
Back to Top
Man With Hat View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 14:04
rush 
Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
Back to Top
ProgMetaller2112 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 08 2012
Location: Pacoima,CA,USA
Status: Offline
Points: 3145 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ProgMetaller2112 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 19:44
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Rush although I love Black Sabbath 

If you didn’t choose Rush, I would scream at you and demand you take your avatar off and choose a new one! Big smile


There is no band that I would choose over Rush 

LOL
“War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.”

― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four



"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
Back to Top
The Dark Elf View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 13065 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2018 at 20:33
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.

I would have to agree with Dr. Wu and completely disagree with you, Mortte. Physical Graffiti represents Zeppelin at their zenith. The album has everything from full-blown prog to down-home blues, from metal to funk to dreamy acoustic. I would say only Vol. IV is better, but not by much. 
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Back to Top
Blacksword View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2018 at 03:23
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Rush's best six album run was Caress Of Steel to Moving Pictures. Signals is weak.


I sometimes don't understand the adoration for Signals either. The Fountain of Lamneth outclasses everything, bar Subdivisions on Signals IMO. (Subdivisions may qualify as my overall favourite all time Rush song.....this week)
Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
Back to Top
dr wu23 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20624 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:49
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^I think you know Physical was supposed to be only one album. Then they made some songs longer to make it double. It can be heard. Presence is really enjoyable album, not as great as those first five.

I would have to agree with Dr. Wu and completely disagree with you, Mortte. Physical Graffiti represents Zeppelin at their zenith. The album has everything from full-blown prog to down-home blues, from metal to funk to dreamy acoustic. I would say only Vol. IV is better, but not by much. 

Your check is in the mail......but seriously Zep's albums crush any other streak....imo.
Thumbs Up
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
Back to Top
dr wu23 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20624 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2018 at 13:50
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^Are you kidding....Physical Graffiti is an excellent double album....that makes 6........and even Presence has more going on than those later Sabbath LP.s,
but then I suppose ham fisted doomy sludge heavy metal appeals to some more than well crafted hard rock with variety.

After Paranoid I moved on to bands that knew how to play.

;)



Thank God for Gilmore's guitar otherwise they would have been a very mediocre band.

;)
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
Back to Top
Squonk19 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 03 2015
Location: Darlington, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 4776 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Squonk19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2018 at 17:34
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

But what's the best six album run ever?
Yes: The Yes Album to Going For The One
Genesis: Nursery Cryme to Wind And Withering
XTC: Drums & Wires to Skylarking
Jethro Tull: Stand Up to War Child
Guided By Voices: Propeller to Mag Earwhig
Deerhoof: Reveille to Offend Maggie
King Crimson: Lizard to Discipline
Neal Morse: Testimony to Testimony 2
Spock's Beard: The Light to Snow
Kansas: Kansas to Monolith
The Beatles: Rubber Soul to Abbey Road
A good idea to look at 6 album runs of other bands....
Have to say that Genesis from 'Trespass' to 'A Trick of the Tail" takes some beating! However, have to say Spock's Beard hit a good run early on too! Zeppelin too!
“Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.”
Back to Top
uduwudu View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 17 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 2601 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote uduwudu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2018 at 05:28
Sabbath and Rush...
Back to Top
Fischman View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 21 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1612 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fischman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:18
Rush no contest.  That batch was INCREDIBLE, every last one of them, and they progressed so greatly throughout the period, making such a variety of great music, but all incredibly worthy.  

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
Back to Top
The Dark Elf View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 13065 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:40
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Back to Top
Logan View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
Site Admin

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Status: Offline
Points: 35951 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 11:50
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  

I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.


I'm not a huge Sabbath fan, but I count as a primate, and well, while tastes are subjective, I am inclined to disagree. I generally don't like to make best sort-of claims about such things, but my favourites are from 1970 to 1975. As said elsewhere, I do try to remain agnostic on various matters, and if compelling evidence or a very compelling argument arises for the veracity of such claims, then my opinion is open to change.
Duos for fave acts
Back to Top
Fischman View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 21 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1612 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fischman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:03
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  Also Tony Iommi lays out his best solos on those later albums (although his riffs were more iconic on the earlier ones).  And above all, Geezer Butler finally emerges as one of the greatest bassists in rock history.  His bass lines on those albums rival those of the likes of Lee/Squier/Entwistle/Harris.  As great as early Sabbath was, there's really no topping Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules.  
Back to Top
Mortte View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 11 2016
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 5538 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:06
^Nothing against DIO, but to me those albums haven´t ever sound Sabbath at all.
Back to Top
Fischman View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 21 2018
Location: Colorado, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1612 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fischman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 12:12
Well, they do have a very different sound to them. It's almost like two different groups, even aside from having a different vocalist.  
Back to Top
The Dark Elf View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
Status: Offline
Points: 13065 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 14:44
Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Fischman Fischman wrote:

I love Sabbath as well, and there are some killer albums in there, but not quite at the rarified air level of Rush. And their best albums were the first two with Dio.  
I would venture to say that most Sabbath fans on the planet would disagree with you. I would even go further to say most human beings living or dead would disagree with you.

Actually, I know a lot of Sabbath fans who agree. For one, RJD has the greatest voice in metal, a definite upgrade over Ozzy's nasal wail.  
I would use the word "nonsense", but that wouldn't be polite. There is no way in Heaven or Hell that Dio can be considered an "upgrade" to 1970s Ozzy. 

Having seen both Ozzy with Sabbath on the 1974 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Tour and Dio with Sabbath on the '82 Black and Blue Tour, there really isn't a comparison. When Ozzy sang songs (and I'll just give singular instances from a few albums) like their titular "Black Sabbath", "Hand of Doom", "Into the Void", "Under the Sun", "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" or "Megalomania", there was an inherent malice, an evil presence that was as much Ozzy's shriek and snarl as were the vicious riffs Tony Iommi was spitting out on every song. It's what every metal band named after guts or phlegm or menstruation or whatever has aspired to sound like thereafter, but which just sounds like silly Halloween growls with sped-up Sabbath riffs.

Dio? Never was scary. He was like Scott Evil: "You're quasi-evil. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie."
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Back to Top
micky View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2018 at 14:50
* spits a very fine porter all over monitor*

God you are precious Greg...

'the Diet Coke of Evil'....  hahahhaha


Edited by micky - July 22 2018 at 14:50
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.195 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.