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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12339 |
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There's literally millions of talented musicians that has come and gone throughout the decades. If these gifted musicians recorded an awful lot of awful material and gets a lot of praise for it - that would fit my idea of overrated. Its exactly how I would use the term on the music and albums created by the extremely talented musicians in ELP, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Billy Cobham-solo...
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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This. I personally LOVE Mahavishnu, but I would definitely still call them overrated for the reasons you've mentioned hear. Virtuosity doesn't preclude the ability to be overrated. They aren't mutually exclusive. Dream Theater is overrated for the same exact reasons IMHO.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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The only prog band I can think of that I find overrated is Ayreon. Every time this guy releases something, everyone goes crazy with praise. Arjen has been doing the same recipe since 1995 and he gets away with it every time.
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Kingsnake ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 03 2006 Location: Rockpommelland Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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I have the same feeling with Steven Wilson.
Nothing wrong with his projects, in fact I love Blackfield and some Porcupine Tree's albums. But sometimes he's considered some kind of god. The thing about Porcupine Tree I love the most is not even Steven Wilson. It's Barbieri en Harrison, hahaha. His Jethro Tull remixes are really great though. I wish he would do BJH and Camel next :D
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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^ unlike Arjen, Steven experiments a bit, tries not to repeat himself. At least he's trying.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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^^I would have quoted Sapper and Frenetic but captcha is a pain in the ass so.......
the problem is how do we define overrated since we only rate the albums here and not actually the band itself. Their first 4 albums certainly deserve 4 stars imo and the rest are not rated all that well...certainly not an overrated bunch of albums imho. I don't see these bad albums getting praise btw. If we define it by all the praise that ELP allegedly has received over the years then we also have to take into consideration all the negative comments...including those here regarding being overrated. Love those circular arguments. As I have already pointed out there is a wide diversity of opinions posted here at PA from all over the globe and it is what it is.....unless there is some conspiracy to overrate bands including ELP...then it's simply subjective bias both for and against. I also don't think MO or Cobham are overrated....they have done some great albums and some so-so ones and ratings reflect that imo.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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Regarding Wilson....who the hell considers him a 'god'...can I see some quotes in print..?
He certainly has a lot of fans but so does that crappy singer Hammill......so I guess there's no accounting for taste..? ;)
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12339 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21284 |
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Even the BBC think so! and Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - March 01 2018 at 08:24 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21284 |
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For all micky's gushing and opinions stated as facts I'm kinda disappointed with ELP. For me Lake & Emerson are great musicians and Palmer is an ok drummer (too mechanical and in love with solo's for my personal tastes). But the music they produced is too focused on technical showmanship with not enough hooks, experimentation or anything that grabs me. I enjoy Tarkus & BSS but I'm in no rush to get anything else.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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^^Well...who pays attention to BBC or Daily Rock anyway...?
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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I still think the first album is the best...before they became full of themselves. |
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5223 |
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-1 I love flapjacks. I love plain flapjacks, jam flapjacks, chocolate flapjacks, peanut butter flapjacks, etc.......I love flapjacks. I love Ayreon ![]() Most bands have a signature sound, don't you find?...... |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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I'm the minority here, you like the guy, good for you. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Barclay James Harmless would definitely be on my list.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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^ while I do no like BJH (at least not anymore), I wouldn't call them overrated, a lot of people don't even know them LOL
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Kingsnake ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 03 2006 Location: Rockpommelland Status: Offline Points: 1578 |
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I wouldn't call Barclay James Harvest overrated.
Even the fans know they are middle-of-the-road. Just a basic 70's dad-rock band. I like it a lot though. Although when they sounded more like the Bee Gees then themselves, I lost interest.
John Lees is now fronting a band, that continues the sound of Once Again/Octoberon, wich I think is great. I think he has at least 1000 fans worldwide. :D |
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Lamneth ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 11 2012 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 86 |
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Every Tech/Extreme Prog Metal band on this website seems to be overrated.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45581 |
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^ why? is it because you do not like the genre?
it's not the same thing
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Upbeat Tango Monday ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 10 2015 Location: Buenos Aires Status: Offline Points: 1189 |
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Agree with Cristi. Even though I don't like most RIO/Avant/Zeuhl and I'm a bit indifferent towards krautrock, that doesn't mean every single band that fits into any of those subgenres is overrated.
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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