Time for Indo-Prog/Raga Rock subgenre to go?

wiz_d_kidd wrote: Junges wrote: Perhaps before asking if that sub-genre needs to go, you should ask why is it important? Why do you even come to think about it and why are you occupied with this "problem"? ... What difference does it make to your appreciation of the music? None. The reason genres are important is they act as a guide for people looking for new music to listen to - not simply enjoying old stuff that they already know about.  Without those labels, people would waste a lot of time sampling every album that gets released in the hopes of finding something that suits their (current) tastes.  It would be like going to the grocery store to buy some canned vegetables, but none of the cans have labels. Genres are important, and we need more descriptive ones, rather than fewer.

The Stygian Heresy wrote: This seems like a good thread to ask: Has there ever been discussion of *starting* a Prog Books category?  Visiting the items on any given sales site link changes from day to day.  It might be nice to establish a fixed list...as part of ProgArchives desire to be the best and most complete.

Not a bad idea, actually, but I would launch it HERE instead (and you could elaborate more your proposal...)
  

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I prophesy disaster wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: I agree that post-rock and math rock are two different categories as well. Yes. Whereas I quite like math rock, post rock doesn't appeal to me at all. And because PA doesn't make the distinction, it's a bit of an effort to find the math rock amongst the post rock.

micky wrote: blame M@X Drew....  I offered to buy the site from him.  Captcha would have been first to go and yeah....  that subgenre would have been on my list to do away with. The bands within it could have easily been folded into other subs. but it is a good point... something that could be done but on that note... in case you haven't noticed... leadership is completely missing on this site.  It sails the seas of mediority after the wind of the 1st generation collabs who ran the site and built it  retired and moved on.  No one left and M@X is f**king awol... to do anything to really change the site.  It can't get rid of Captcha...  zero chance of really changing anything on the database. The site has been on cruise control for years... it could really be improved.. but there is little stomach and less forceful personalities left here to make it happen < -cfasync="false" ="/cdn-cgi/s/d07b1474/cloudflare-static/email-decode.min.js">

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Junges wrote: Perhaps before asking if that sub-genre needs to go, you should ask why is it important? Why do you even come to think about it and why are you occupied with this "problem"? ... What difference does it make to your appreciation of the music? None.

The reason genres are important is they act as a guide for people looking for new music to listen to - not simply enjoying old stuff that they already know about.  Without those labels, people would waste a lot of time sampling every album that gets released in the hopes of finding something that suits their (current) tastes.  It would be like going to the grocery store to buy some canned vegetables, but none of the cans have labels. Genres are important, and we need more descriptive ones, rather than fewer.

omphaloskepsis wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Someone piss in your coffee this morning Micky? [QUOTE=siLLy puPPy] I've always been more curious why certain genres like RIO and avant-prog are lumped together. How would you split them up?  Just a quick shout out. Some of these threads will start to download something mysterious on my computer. This is one of them. It rarely happens but it does maybe every couple weeks. Anybody experience the same thing? OH no, ROBOTS?!!!!!  As far as the RIO / Avant-prog category goes, i guess this is the one that makes the most sense to lump together since the crossover between the two covers a lot of ground. That was admittedly a bad example. The math rock / post-rock category makes no sense though. Meanwhile RPI doesn't really tell you what kind of prog it is. As far as RIO / Avant goes i'm still perplexed why jazz-metal artists like John Zorn reside there. My logic is avant prog + metal = progressive metal + jazz = jazz fusion.  I agree with Silly Puppy.  I may go further because in my opinion Post Rock and Math Rock sound like opposites to me.

It tries to download shockwave Flash objects when youtube vids are not embedded properly. I have fixed that in this thread (see my edit on the last pagewith the Clivage vid). It used to be able to work one way that doesn't anymore, so one especially finds it in certain old bumped threads (I used to embed that way, whereas most didn't). It's not dangerous and can be discarded, but irritating.

As for the Indo-Prog/ Raga Rock category, I find it a useful grouping and like the exoticism of such an almost esoteric category. Yes, those groups could fit in other categories (say some in Psych, Folk, Krautrock or whatever), but I like having such flavours together. The way PA works is hardly ideal, it would be better if each album in PA was tagged with multiple "genre" tags, and I prefer album tagging to band tagging, although I don't mind having a master category for the band. I'm one of those who favours more classification, not less. By the way, there was talk years ago amongst RIO/Avant Prog team members to split it into RIO and Avant Prog (many of those could also easily fit Eclectic Prog, some could fit Crossover, some could fit Zeuhl....) While most of the RIO bands could easily be termed Avant Prog, most of the Avant prog bands are not RIO (part of the Rock in Opposition movement/ concerts...)

Perhaps before asking if that sub-genre needs to go, you should ask why is it important? Why do you even come to think about it and why are you occupied with this "problem"? It surely won't (or shouldn't) make any difference for your love or hate of a particular album just because it fits into a specific sub-genre. If we were to "abolish" Indo-Raga Prog, what would that mean to you? Sorry, but I can't understand why such thing matters. 

Raff wrote: The reason is very simple: Indo/Raga was one of the favourite "subgenres" one of the site's earliest members and collaborators, Philippe (who also wrote the introduction on the subgenre's home page). Most of the subgenres were created in the early days of the site, and Indo/Raga is a legacy from those days. Other subgenres have been modified, but that one has remained - probably because no one finds it particularly offensive or noteworthy. The ones that were split - such as Art Rock or Prog Metal - were so huge as to be unmanageable by any team that did not have at least ten members.

I don't know the band and I wasn't in the team back then, but looking at the ProgFreak history, they were added seven years ago when they only had one album. Maybe that one isn't so much Indo-Prog and the team didn't think it was enough to add them to the genre? The bio doesn't even mention the genre.