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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 09:54 |
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
I think a LOT of people - not just prog fans - forget how successful and how large of an appeal Tull had/still has. Didn't they erroneously win a metal award over Metallica in the late 80's? Their reach was undeniable. While tons of people know who YES and GENESIS are, I'd be willing to be more of them actually heard Tull over those two. |
Yes, Tull's 'Crest of a Knave' won the new category "Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording" grammy in 1989. Metallica fans are still pissed off and Ian is still laughing about it
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 10:10 |
^It's funny how people are still talking about that upset to this day. I didn't watch it on tv but I remember when it happened. It was a real WTF moment for most music fans. Anyway, I'm sure Ian thought it was amusing but I see no evidence that he is still laughing at that or that he ever was.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 28 2018 at 10:11
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 12:13 |
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
^It's funny how people are still talking about that upset to this day. I didn't watch it on tv but I remember when it happened. It was a real WTF moment for most music fans. Anyway, I'm sure Ian thought it was amusing but I see no evidence that he is still laughing at that or that he ever was. |
Although it was amusing to listen to band members from Metallica bitch and moan about And Justice For All losing to Crest of a Knave, what is absolutely hilarious is that one of Metallica's greatest achievements actually lost to what most people consider to be Tull's 12th or 13th best album. I certainly wouldn't put CoaK on the same level as anything Tull released from 1969 to 1979.
It is a sobering thought about the decline of music in the 80s when you consider albums like Aqualung, Thick as a Brick or even Songs from the Wood were not even up for Grammys, given the fierce competition and the amount of great albums released during that era. As a matter of fact, no hard rock or prog albums were even nominated back in 1971 or 72, or 1977 for that matter.
Edited by The Dark Elf - January 28 2018 at 12:16
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Lewian
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Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 16:37 |
Icarium wrote:
Gentle Giant was an influence on Nik Kershaw and Tears for Fears |
What!? I have a weak spot for both of these but I never heard any GG in them (which may be for the better ). Surely they influenced Cardiacs whom I love to pieces.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: January 29 2018 at 12:21 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
^It's funny how people are still talking about that upset to this day. I didn't watch it on tv but I remember when it happened. It was a real WTF moment for most music fans. Anyway, I'm sure Ian thought it was amusing but I see no evidence that he is still laughing at that or that he ever was. |
Although it was amusing to listen to band members from Metallica bitch and moan about And Justice For All losing to Crest of a Knave, what is absolutely hilarious is that one of Metallica's greatest achievements actually lost to what most people consider to be Tull's 12th or 13th best album. I certainly wouldn't put CoaK on the same level as anything Tull released from 1969 to 1979.
It is a sobering thought about the decline of music in the 80s when you consider albums like Aqualung, Thick as a Brick or even Songs from the Wood were not even up for Grammys, given the fierce competition and the amount of great albums released during that era. As a matter of fact, no hard rock or prog albums were even nominated back in 1971 or 72, or 1977 for that matter.
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Well, it's true that Jethro Tull were a bit of a wild card when their name came up at the grammys in 1989. I think a big part of it had to do with the people who did the voting who were mostly older corporate guys who weren't up on current hard rock and metal at the time. I even read this somewhere. So it kind of makes sense. They actually made hard rock and metal two separate categories the following year probably mostly because of this incident. But yeah it may as well have been Yes who won that year for Big Generator(released the same year as CoaK). I like Coak quite a bit and think it's better than most of the later albums I have heard(except for Roots to Branches). Is it on the level of their seventies albums? Well, it's maybe better than stormwatch or Too old to rock n roll... but that's about it. I'm not a metallica expert so I can't say much about their albums. I have master of puppets and like it but haven't heard any of the others.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - January 29 2018 at 12:22
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 01 2018 at 15:21 |
GonG
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 06:51 |
again with the tiers
Renaissance out of these
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