Second tier bands
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Topic: Second tier bands
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Second tier bands
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 15:22
| Which of these vintage prog bands do you like the most? |
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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 15:25
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PFM > Caravan > Focus = Renaissance ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 15:26
| I didn't include Magma, Camel, GG or VDGG because I thought they were obviously more popular than the ones I listed(with the possible exception of Caravan and UK)and thought I would try to make it more of an even match here. I almost included Starcastle since I wanted to have at least one US band but they didn't quite make the cut. Including Triumvirat might have been a mistake but I know there is one guy on here who is fanatical about them so I included them. :P |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 15:57
I went with PFM. Some other great bands in the list, but I consider all the PFM albums up to Jet Lag to be essential listening on par with the 1st tier bands  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:13
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Hate the phrase 'second tier' - just a poll saying which of these bands you like best, would have sufficed. Commercial success does not always guarantee quality. I think the breadth and longevity of The Strawbs is quite amazing - and enjoying revisiting their albums, old and new,at present. They get my vote, but would like to praise Renaissance and Focus as well. UK were a great band - but sadly so short-lived! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:16
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I went with Caravan with PFM and Eloy right there too, and Gong. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:40
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Caravan.....but then I'm a Canterbury school fan.....but Renaissance, PFM, Strawbs....close behind... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:46
| I know my least favourite................Wakeman played on the two albums I’ve hung on to by them ha ha. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:48
Maybe but would it be fair to put King Crimson up against most of these? I will NOT apologize for using the term second tier. Most prog fans know what I mean by that and it serves it's purpose. No, it's not a perfect term but neither is "prog."
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Squonk19 wrote:Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:49
| I like Focus, Eloy, |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:51
| Funny, so far three people said they voted for Caravan but only two votes are showing up. :) |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:53
I definitely voted lol. When I did it went from 1 to 2. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 16:58
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There is no such band as The Strawbs. They are Strawbs. And they are magnificent. Focus and Caravan are also magnificent, but just a bit less so than Strawbs.
------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 17:03
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Caravan > Gong > PFM Love those early Caravan albums. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 17:32
 From wikipedia: "Strawbs (or The Strawbs)" I "fixed" it in the poll regardles so I hope you are happy now.  |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 17:47
| Anyway, I would like to apologize to fans of Banco, Kayak, Wishbone Ash, Hawkwind, Grobschnitt, Le Orme, Soft Machine, Ange and all the other second tier bands that were not included. ;) |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 17:51
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You Kay ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:08
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Caravan > PFM > Gong > UK ------------- He neither drank, smoked, nor rode a bicycle. Living frugally, saving his money, he died early, surrounded by greedy relatives. It was a great lesson to me -- John Barrymore |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:26
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:33
| Focus. I don't know how a band that has Jan Akkerman on guitar can be called 'second tier'. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:34
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1st vote for Eloy! I also love U.K., Renaissance and T'rat, but I own way more albums by Eloy. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:42
Art Zoyd, Cardiacs, Talk Talk, Amon Düül II? Seriously, don't strive for completeness and don't be apologetic. You have chosen this because this is what you want us to vote on, and who complains should do their own poll. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:43
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For me it's between Gong and Renaissance. I think Gong just runs away with it. |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 18:46
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Strawbs, Eloy, Caravan, Renaissance, UK, Focus, PFM, Gong, Triumvirat, Nektar in that order, with the top 3 depending on whom I'm listening to at the moment. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 19:29
Well, if I added AD2 I would have to add Can as well. I didn't add Can because to me they are more krautrock. Anyway, it seems when I do these kinds of polls there are always whiners who say "how come such and such is not on here?" I just thought I would let them know some of the other bands not mentioned in the poll are good too. Some of the ones you mentioned are not classic prog kinds of bands and are post golden era. I could have added IQ and Spock's Beard among others for that matter.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 20:09
The same way people call Gentle Giant and Van der Graaf Generator second tier. I didn't make up the rules anyway so don't shoot the messenger. :P
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 20:29
 Kidding..... |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 20:38
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I have to go with PFM. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 20:51
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"second tier" is in my opinion a meaningless term. who the hell defines this? where does "first tier" end and "second tier" begin? and what is ""second tier" for one may just as well be "first tier" for someone else. so I totally reject this term. and you put Gong in this "second tier"  -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 21:12
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[where does "first tier" end and "second tier" begin? ] First tier ends with King Crimson. Second tier begins with Gentle Giant. Just my opinion? Not really. It seems to be consensus based on all the time I've spent on prog forums over the years. Also, it seems that the whole tier thing is more about popularity and exposure than anything else. It's in no way meant to suggest that the lesser known bands don't have great albums that are in some cases as good as the so called first tier bands.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 21:22
This looks right to me. If first tier is Yes, Genesis, ELP, KC. And then second tier is Gentle Giant, Camel, VdGG...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 21:38
yes, just your opinion. once again, the term is meaningless for me. not only that, it is in my opinion an insult to call a band "second tier". "oh dear, you're just second tier hrmph hrmph". popularity is not an indicator for quality, as you yourself remarked. I would have had no objection had you called your post "less popular bands". but "second tier"? a big NO ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 22:26
| What does that make, say, Gnidrolog ?? Eleventh tier ?? |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 20 2018 at 23:31
| To me it was fight between Caravan and Gong, but I took Caravan because I just have been in the big Caravan mood recently. Really love Strawbs and Renaissance too. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 00:09
| Triumvirat |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 00:17
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 00:27
| Strawbs. But Renaissance and Eloy are very close behind |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 01:54
They are among a group that transcend the imposed prog caste system. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 04:13
| Torn between Gong and Renaissance. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 04:52
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 05:44
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According to the Cambridge dictionary, second tier is "used to describe a product, organization, etc. that is not among the biggest, most successful, or most important of its type". Despite how accurately one thinks the term is being used here, questions about the usefulness of the term, and its boundaries when describing something, I don't see it as an insulting term here, and of course not being the biggest and most successful in terms of sales and popularity/ knownness does not equal saying that it is of lesser quality. One might (subjectively) argue that bands in this list are more successful and important from an artistic perspective than more commercially successful projects. Anyway, voting for Gong in this list is an easy choice for me. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 05:48
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PFM.Like the others too.All great bands. ------------- Shake & bake. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 06:21
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Gong ------------- |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 06:23
I agree. Without a doubt. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 07:21
true---and I chose Focus .
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 07:57
it always pays to look up several dictionaries. the Collins dictionary says this: not in the first rank and gives the following examples: The jockey, Red Pollard, was a second-tier rider who had to box in order to get enough
money to eat. second-tier ports like Rotterdam and Kao-hsiung, Taiwan
and the Urban dictionary gives these examples: When you bump someone on your MySpace top friends from the first tier (top 4) to the second tier (top 5-8). For some reason, people become overly offended when they don't make the top friends list, so demoting someone is a direct insult. My best friend slept with my crush, so I second-tiered the bitch. englishbaby, a site for learning English, gives this definition: second-rate; of the second best category Examples: Marlin really wanted to go to Harvard, but he had to settle for a second-tier school. ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 08:02
I think you didn't get the main message of my posting. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 08:19
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Strawbs. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 09:19
| Caravan |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 09:21
Voted Renaissance because they are slightly behind Gong in a well contested poll with no band in a huge lead.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 10:36
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Eloy = PFM Gong ------------- 
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 15:17
Yay. Everyone is on the board now. 
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 15:21
Sorry you feel that way Jean. Not my intention to offend you. Anyway, I don't see much difference between "less popular" and "second tier." Second tier means just that though "less popular" and really nothing else. Second tier is an accepted term which is why I used it. It's not a term I made up. Anyway, try not to be too angry with it.
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 15:41
| PFM, still so good after all these years |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 16:28
| I actually agree with most of these bands being "lower-tier," although Storia Di Un Minuto is still one of the best albums out there, prog or otherwise. Nektar wins for sheer consistency and sincerity. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 18:52
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Caravan were top in the 10 prog bands of 70s. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 21:30
Actually, I believe even the members of the bands listed here would agree that they are not first tier. I don't see any of them believing they were actually bigger than Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, ELP. Though I suppose bands like Focus or PFM were really huge in their own countries. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 21 2018 at 21:42
it does not just mean "less popular", as I pointed out. it also means "of lesser quality". both meanings inevitably coexist, even if only one meaning is intended ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 05:46
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Renaissance, followed by Caravan.
------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 09:22
| I know they only released two studio LP's but what great records they were. UK all the way!!! |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 10:19
Fair enough. Not every band can be among the very best though. However, most of these bands are still very good and classic prog bands in their own right.
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Posted By: noni
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 10:36
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1. Renaissance 2. PFM 3. Caravan 4. Eloy 5. Nektar 6. Triumvirat 7. Strawbs 8. UK |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 10:55
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I strugle to think of Reneissanse as second rate, even if i dont listen to them that much they are among the first bands i heard of in connection to prog alongside the big 7 of prog. -------------  
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:17
| nice to see Renaissance in the lead. They were pretty big in the 1970s in localized areas, like the US Northeast, and their albums, while not charting high in the general rock charts, tended to stay in the charts a long time. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:29
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Triumvirat at bottom place? Come on, people! |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:50
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Focus or Gong or Nektar or Strawbs or Eloy. One of a those. No vote yet. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: noni
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 12:56
I agree, never thought them as 2nd tier. Play Renaissance probably once every 2 months or so.. With so much music in my collection, it's hard to play every album..
 ... The same can be said with the Enid, another great band!.... |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 13:28
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every one of these bands has at least one album that I love voted Focus ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 15:21
| Eloy (sorry Doug) |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 17:24
| Ok, folks. Here it goes. Why were Renaissance and PFM included? You guys don't consider them to be second tier. Ok, fine. Everyone has their own interpretation of things. Why are Focus on here? They had one of the biggest prog hits with "hocus pocus." Also, why didn't I include Gentle Giant, Camel or VDGG aren't they considered second tier also? Yes, but in my mind those bands are a bit ahead of most of the others IN MY OPINION. Based on my years of research in prog the first tier bands are the most popular and over all most respected(yes some of these bands are just as good at times but just over all weren't or aren't quite as well known). Typically the first tier is King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and maybe Rush and the Moody Blues and maybe one or two others. This is not a science it's based on what I have come to understand who the biggest prog bands are. Also, being that I live in the US my opinion will reflect that. Again do you I really have to go on about how this poll represents my opinion? Everyone has their own interpretation and opinion of things. OK? |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:17
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I must admit I never understood the popularity of King Crimson. the only explanation I have is that it is based on the myths that they invented prog rock and that ITCOTCK is the first prog album, neither of which is true. the fact alone that most people skip "Moonchild" makes me wonder why their first album is so highly rated, considering that "I Talk to the Wind" is a full-fledged pop song (albeit an excellent one). the music of KC is, contrary to the music of ELP, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes and Jethro Tull, in general not mainstream enough to explain this popularity ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:32
I don't get it either. I don't like them myself.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:36
Not even this just a little bit? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:40
Sorry friend but I'm a Christian, and so when I found out what their name means I was done with them. I know you're rolling your eyes right now lol. But it is what it is.
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Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:49
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The thing about Crimson is that they were always changing their style. If one didn't appreciate In the Court so much, then there is Lark's Tongues and Red with Bruford's amazing unique original drumming. Then the 80s lin-up with the triple-counterpoint guitars and stick, again totally unique. So, it is possible to dislike one Crimson era and really like another. By the way, I am confused about the comment about their name. What does their name mean? I have never heard anyone say it was anti-Christian before (and Robert Fripp himself is Christian)
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:49
Oh, so its just based on the band name, not the music. Can you still enjoy Yes knowing that Bill Bruford was drummer on King Crimson albums and knowing that Jon Anderson sung on that track? It's kind of like selling one's soul to the devil. And of course, other musicians from prog bands such as ELP with Greg Lake worked with KC. Regarding the name:
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:53
I believe its because lots of people enjoy their music. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 19:55
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7214" rel="nofollow -
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7214" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7214 Edit: And absolutely I love Yes! Possibly my favorite prog band.
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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 20:00
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Gong, Strawbs and Focus aren't 2nd tier!!!!!! ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 20:15
But does it bother you that Yes band members worked with King Crimson? For some more on the name from https://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/Metaphysical.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/Metaphysical.html : "The name was suggested by the band's songwriter, Peter Sinfield - "The name King Crimson was mine - I wanted something like Led Zeppelin, something with a bit of power to it. Anything better than Giles, Giles, and Fripp. King Crimson had arrogance to it." The guitarist Robert Fripp is quoted in a booklet accompanying the Essential King Crimson box set, "The name King Crimson is a synonym for Beelzebub, which is an anglicized form of the Arabic phrase B'il Sabab. This means literally the man with an aim and is the recognizable quality of King Crimson." Beelzebub was a Philistine God who later became associated with the Devil. I didn't know Fripp was a Christian, I knew he was spiritual and explored religion, but I associated him with Buddhism. Some talk on King Crimson at a Christian forum: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/king-crimson.6298425/" rel="nofollow - https://www.christianforums.com/threads/king-crimson.6298425/ Anyway, lyricist Sinfield (who also worked with ELP) was "to blame' for the name. Incidentally, Peter Gabriel has cited Robert Fripp as an influence. And Robert Fripp produced Peter Gabriel's second album. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 20:26
I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that she was wondering why King Crimson is popular (among us proggers here) given their particularly unconventional nature. That people enjoy their music is evident, but why aren't other more experimental acts accepted with the same gusto (I think she's asking...)? She's got a point about ITCOTCK; the album is highly regarded, yet more people seem opposed to that lengthy nine minute section than are in support of it. Are most of the album's fans just blatantly skipping most of the longest track on the album with every listen? Of course, the immediate answer that comes to mind is that King Crimson were just a really f**king good band.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 20:35
I'm a member of that Christian forum! And sure, I don't hold it against those members of Yes. I mean if I did that then eventually it would be.. oh but these people played with Yes.. and oh these people played with them.. And pretty soon I've sworn off all music altogether lol. Yeah I'll have to investigate all this, thank you for the information. I'll have to find out a lot more about this Robert Fripp person. I still haven't given up on Christian Vander either. Before finding out about him that MDK album was my #1 for meditating(mostly because it's so rhythmic). Oh well, I'll have to do more investigating and sort all this out. Thanks again friend.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 21:03
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What is your definition of a "second tier" band? PFM was one of Italy's most successful bands ever. Second tier? I think not -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 22:36
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 22:50
I have also my own philosophy of life, but really I have always distinguish art and it. I think there wouldn´t be as much great music to me if I didn´t do that. Many artists just have been really mean person´s. For example Captain Beefheart threw his drummer down to the stairs because he refused to play "strawberry". This drummer was also the one, who put Beefhearts´s musical ideas into notes to other musicians to play, which I think really isn´t the easy thing to do.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 22:52
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 06:50
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^ from Wikipedia (they are right about this one :) Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) (translation: Award-winning Marconi Bakery) is an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_progressive_rock" rel="nofollow - Italian progressive rock band. PFM were the first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy" rel="nofollow - Italian group to have success abroad, entering both the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow - British and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States" rel="nofollow - American charts. Between 1973 and 1977 they released five albums with English lyrics. They also had several successful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe" rel="nofollow - European and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas" rel="nofollow - American tours, playing at the popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Festival" rel="nofollow - Reading Festival in England and on a very popular national television program in the United States. PFM introduced new sounds, such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer" rel="nofollow - synthesizer , to the Italian musical world. They were also among the first to combine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonic_music" rel="nofollow - symphonic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music" rel="nofollow - classical and traditional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Italy" rel="nofollow - Italian musical influences in a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music" rel="nofollow - Rock music context. Such innovations and their longevity have earned PFM a place among the most important bands in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock" rel="nofollow - Progressive rock genre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiata_Forneria_Marconi" rel="nofollow - Premiata Forneria Marconi - Wikipedia ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 07:13
| ^When watching their chart positions from the same sites, only "Photos Of Ghosts" has been 180 position in Bilboard 200 & Cook 154 position in same list. I think Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP have done a lot better. They released also one Wigwam album in the US 1970, then virgin signed it in 1975, but still I am not really saying Wigwam got international success. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 07:40
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^ but not all legendary statuses are based on chart positions of album sales. They were revolutionary in musical compositions and quite successful for a prog band of their day. I wouldn't call that second tier but i still haven't gotten a definition of what that means in context to this list. Gong and Renaissance are quite popular as well. To me second tier bands would be like Starcastle or something. Maybe i'm looking too much into this but it just seems that callling PFM a second tier band is a stretch. If we look at PA's top 250 albums then they have 3 albums in the top 100. That seems pretty darn good to me :) ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 09:01
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^To me Starcastle would be a third or fourth tier band... ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 09:53
Yep. Probably third tier even though I did consider adding them here. As for the PFM comments, I'm not going to keep repeating myself here. Please see my previous post(the one that starts with "OK, folks") and then start your own damn poll and label bands however you want.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 09:55
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Aye, capn ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 09:57
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:48
| as a fan of mostly "second tier" bands, I don't get ruffled by the categorization. Suffice to say most of my favorites struggled commercially, and get short shrift on the prog "hit parade" as well. So be it, they are still my faves, and I'm glad when they get discussed at all. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:49
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 11:06
| I voted for Renaissance. i I have to admit I haven't heard every band on the list. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:52
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 12:54
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Posted By: noni
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 14:10
There's nothing wrong with Triumvirat but much prefer others listed in that list.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 23 2018 at 15:21
Finally someone who gets it. I can tell by your statement that you know I wasn't using "second tier" as some kind of derogative or patronizing way as others on here have suggested. I'm a fan of most of these bands myself and don't think of them as playing second fiddle or being "bench warmer" kind of bands at all. It's just that when you mention prog to someone who only has a passing familiarity with the genre it is unlikely they will mention one of these bands.
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