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Poll Question: Which of these "second tier" bands is your favorite
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
10 [11.90%]
8 [9.52%]
10 [11.90%]
10 [11.90%]
4 [4.76%]
11 [13.10%]
14 [16.67%]
5 [5.95%]
2 [2.38%]
10 [11.90%]
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1st vote for Eloy!

I also love U.K., Renaissance and T'rat, but I own way more albums by Eloy.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, I would like to apologize to fans of Banco, Kayak, Wishbone Ash, Hawkwind, Grobschnitt, Le Orme, Soft Machine, Ange and all the other second tier bands that were not included. ;)

Art Zoyd, Cardiacs, Talk Talk, Amon Düül II?
Seriously, don't strive for completeness and don't be apologetic. You have chosen this because this is what you want us to vote on, and who complains should do their own poll. 
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For me it's between Gong and Renaissance. I think Gong just runs away with it.
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Strawbs, Eloy, Caravan, Renaissance, UK, Focus, PFM, Gong, Triumvirat, Nektar in that order, with the top 3 depending on whom I'm listening to at the moment.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, I would like to apologize to fans of Banco, Kayak, Wishbone Ash, Hawkwind, Grobschnitt, Le Orme, Soft Machine, Ange and all the other second tier bands that were not included. ;)

Art Zoyd, Cardiacs, Talk Talk, Amon Düül II?
Seriously, don't strive for completeness and don't be apologetic. You have chosen this because this is what you want us to vote on, and who complains should do their own poll. 

Well, if I added AD2 I would have to add Can as well. I didn't add Can because to me they are more krautrock. Anyway, it seems when I do these kinds of polls there are always whiners who say "how come such and such is not on here?" I just thought I would let them know some of the other bands not mentioned in the poll are good too. Some of the ones you mentioned are not classic prog kinds of bands and are post golden era. I could have added IQ and Spock's Beard among others for that matter. 
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Focus.  I don't know how a band that has Jan Akkerman on guitar can be called 'second tier'.

The same way people call Gentle Giant and Van der Graaf Generator second tier. I didn't make up the rules anyway so don't shoot the messenger. :P
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:


Focus.  I don't know how a band that has Jan Akkerman on guitar can be called 'second tier'.
O.K. Why not ‘Third Tier’
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I have to go with PFM.

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"second tier" is in my opinion a meaningless term. who the hell defines this? where does "first tier" end and "second tier" begin? and what is ""second tier" for one may just as well be "first tier" for someone else. so I totally reject this term.

and you put Gong in this "second tier" Angry

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[where does "first tier" end and "second tier" begin? ]

First tier ends with King Crimson.

Second tier begins with Gentle Giant. 

Just my opinion? Not really. It seems to be consensus based on all the time I've spent on prog forums over the years. Also, it seems that the whole tier thing is more about popularity and exposure than anything else. It's in no way meant to suggest that the lesser known bands don't have great albums that are in some cases as good as the so called first tier bands. 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

First tier ends with King Crimson.

Second tier begins with Gentle Giant.
 
This looks right to me. If first tier is Yes, Genesis, ELP, KC. And then second tier is Gentle Giant, Camel, VdGG...
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

[where does "first tier" end and "second tier" begin? ]

First tier ends with King Crimson.

Second tier begins with Gentle Giant. 

Just my opinion? Not really. It seems to be consensus based on all the time I've spent on prog forums over the years. Also, it seems that the whole tier thing is more about popularity and exposure than anything else. It's in no way meant to suggest that the lesser known bands don't have great albums that are in some cases as good as the so called first tier bands. 

yes, just your opinion. once again, the term is meaningless for me. not only that, it is in my opinion an insult to call a band "second tier". "oh dear, you're just second tier hrmph hrmph". popularity is not an indicator for quality, as you yourself remarked.

I would have had no objection had you called your post "less popular bands". but "second tier"? a big NO


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What does that make, say, Gnidrolog ?? Eleventh tier ??
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To me it was fight between Caravan and Gong, but I took Caravan because I just have been in the big Caravan mood recently. Really love Strawbs and Renaissance too.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Triumvirat
Who else ??
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Strawbs.  But Renaissance and Eloy are very close behind
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

What does that make, say, Gnidrolog ?? Eleventh tier ??


They are among a group that transcend the imposed prog caste system.

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Torn between Gong and Renaissance. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I didn't include Magma, Camel, GG or VDGG because I thought they were obviously more popular than the ones I listed(with the possible exception of Caravan and UK)and thought I would try to make it more of an even match here. I almost included Starcastle since I wanted to have at least one US band but they didn't quite make the cut. Including Triumvirat might have been a mistake but I know there is one guy on here who is fanatical about them so I included them. :P
I haven´t seen almost any Magma fans here. Are they on the winter-rest?
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