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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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As you and I saw this morning on FB - most of the reaction to articles like this are based on extreme (right or left) loonies reacting to the headline without reading the body of the text. ![]() |
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
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The article itself is not near as bad as the title would suggest. The article title is a purposefully inflammatory title, which is unfortunate because the article itself is mostly about nutrition, with a short reference to cultural differences, but I never saw the word 'racist' used in the article. I'm not sure why they felt the need to give this article such a shallow and misleading title, its a bad choice, probably designed to get people riled up over an article that did not mean to get people riled up. |
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twseel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 15 2012 Location: abroad Status: Offline Points: 22767 |
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![]() Knowledge is in facts, the news is just the up-to-date feed of new facts, and if you're going off of a purposefully selected collection of facts to suggest a biased bigger picture that's just unfortunate... You learn at school to take your sources with a grain of salt and leave value judgements seperate from the fact-providers.
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67457 |
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^ ture
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Also I love your signature quote. You finally found the true scientific/political statement that defines an era.
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
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^Where is TMZ on that thing? That seems to be the news that matters to most of the general public.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^That's for celebrity news,not politics....
And a celebrity could never become president here....
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34086 |
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were does french news paper Le Monde fit on that scale, and Al Jazera
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HackettFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
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I voted for always biased, but regret doing so because there is some conflation of impartiality and bias. I think some media outlets are genuinely impartial. This does not mean they are unbiased, even if that bias is an uncontoversial ethos of serving the public good (uncontroversial but sadly not universal). That is still a bias, a bias which they may deserve praise for having. I have no problem with confirmation bias as long as one is capable of accepting when their hypotheses may be falsified and remains knowledgeable about contrary claims.
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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There is no such thing as being unbiased, and anyone who says they are is selling something. Bias takes hold the moment you choose what "news" you are reporting.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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You're right. For example, neither CNN nor MSNBC aired footage of the Sweden attack or the Bowling Green massacre. The b*****ds manipulators...
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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The French have been inventing their own version of the truth for at least 1000 years, they are off the scale but no one knows which way.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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I think the idea that the news is biased is exaggerated. If one simply reports an event....whatever the event....where's the bias ?
![]() I can see how the opinion pieces like those from O'Riley and Hannity are biased but not just general reporting. |
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HackettFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Mostly, yes.
But I dont think biased = bad, and certainly not fake. I never once have thought of Fox as fake news, though obviously it's bad, and sources like even Vox while extremely biased, do some good writing. But we've now reached the point where 1: anything you dont like is just labeled "fake news" or 2: anything with a sniff of a bias is "bad" and that's just not true. Which is just not accurate. Heard a great interview with the lead editor of the NY times, and he explained that while we need to be fair, fact based, honest etc the idea that if there's one iota of bias it = trash is quite unrealistic. He cited reporting on civil rights back in the day and how it used colorful, powerful language (and clearly showing a bias). Would you say that pro civil rights coverage is biased fake garbage? Well to many Americans the answer to that is probably yes ![]() To me the bigger problem with mainstream news are the agendas...that's what I hate, and think is detrimental to society, especially when it comes to favoring candidates and policies etc I wont even get into Breitbart and the Trumpers, they are so detached from reality and purposely twist everything to fit their camp it's not even worth wasting brain cells on. Just sad that sh*t has trickled up...now mainstream Republicans use "fake news" or say "that's a gotcha question! I wont answer" as ways to worm out of ya know, being asked real questions. That's the problem, they've now made us all have to defend the mainstream media, that many of us don't like, turning all this into more "us vs them" stuff instead of honest critique
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Saw this float around, whoever made it did a superb job.Very honest, fair and accurate. Could debate a few placements but not the intent of course. Will just say NPR should be higher, as that can be some pretty complex stuff and the Economist is weird, very socially liberal and all but economically, all articles should start with "We are shills for intl banking" ![]() OH! Also I know "The Hill" has historically been a center right publication, but in recent years I noticed they were quite pro Sanders/less so Clinton and anti Trump and the overall tone of many of their articles have a liberal slant (and that's coming from me). So I guess the madness of current Republicans and politics have shifted them to the left
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I guess that Breitbart is so far right it's off the scale!
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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As it should be! That sh*t is where we do get into the realm of legitimate fake news. Any of their stuff that is based on real events takes a kernel of it, and runs with it 1000 miles. Sad that they have become a near mainstream source now. |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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And this is a serious problem. Right wingers get all of their news from these kinds of hacks and have lost touch with reality. It's the only logical explanation for a Trump Presidency, IMHO.
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