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Topic: Is all news media biased...
Posted By: Blacksword
Subject: Is all news media biased...
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 05:27
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I have this theory, that if news media didn't carry a bias one way or another, hardly anyone would watch/read it. Surely, a fact is a fact right? Well even before we OFFICIALLY entered this age of 'Fake news' and 'alternative facts' all news reportage was biased towards the liberal or the conservative to varying degrees. I believe that many people of either persuasion, are less interested in facts and more interested in having their own beliefs validated by journalists who share their perspective, believing that seeing their own views in black and white somehow 'proves' their perspective to be the correct one. In the UK, the BBC is often accused of having either a pro Israeli bias or a pro Palestinian bias, underlining the idea that people see bias where they choose to see it. For some, even reporting on an issue at all is an indicator of some kind of bias. Some say that of the great immigration debate we're supposedly 'not allowed' to have, and yet seem to be having it 24/7....  Perspectives, thoughts..?? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
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Posted By: Watchmaker
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 07:00
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Very interesting and relevant video below. The relevant point is towards the end of the video, but the whole thing is worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVV8pch1dM |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 08:38
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No people, let alone the media, isn't biased. There is some intrinsic bias in everything that's reported. The bad thing is when the bias allows actual falsehoods and truly fake news to be broadcast as news. Here in the US for example, Fox News is the paragon of bias, but I wouldn't say they normally go for complete falsehoods or outrageous fake news. I hate Fox News but they are a biased network for biased people. I have my own biases. ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 09:43
I would say we all have our own biases, but you do you not think that news as a commercial concept has target audiences and customer bases as any other industries do. You could argue, I guess that news merely supplies a pre-existing demand created by peoples inherent biases. Or is it the other way round? Chicken and egg etc.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
The T wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 12:26
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When I was in my country of origin, news were pretty much impartial. They just really informed what happened during the day. but now I think even that has its own bias. It's not like you can put 23459327501 things in a news cast. You have to prioritize. Even if you only inform of events and facts, the evens and facts that you choose to inform about are already a form of bias. Yes, i agree, especially in the US, news networks have target audiences and they cater to them. And it further isolates us. Me for example, never, ever, ever even surf through the FoxNews channel anymore. I just can't stand it. And when CNN acts too neutral for my interests, I tend to only end in MSNBC even though it's far from a liberal/lefty paradise. -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 13:00
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Anything that has a sponsorship is prone to the bias of the one paying the bills. The fundamental virtue of capitalism, incentive, is also its fundamental flaw. Incentive trumps ethics. I would say very few media outlets or individual journalists set out with anything other than the purist intentions to just report the facts, but there is always going to be that shortcut to profit. I feel like it is always the eventual path for the corporate parent. It is rote. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 13:25
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No. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 14:32
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Yes, as all biases are nearly impossible to eradicate, even with the noblest of intentions. The best we can expect is a media with almost no bias. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 14:55
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From Yes Prime Minister, this is the ultimate guide to British newspapers pandering to the prejudices of their readership: Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. Sir Humphrey: Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun? Bernard: Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 14:57
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 16:25
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Nothing you ever read anywhere from any source will ever be accurate, and information must always be seen through that lens of uncertainty. This is why independent thinking is so crucial; you're just as likely to be correct as anyone else. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 20:24
Unless you are really stupid, ... which applies to a lot of people. 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 06 2017 at 20:30
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^ True, or really evil. But that fact shouldn't dissuade self-generated analysis, foolish or dangerous as those observations may be. Better that than a cowed and sheepish population. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 01:01
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...better to be cowed and sheepish than goosed and pigish.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 01:11
 When you know and understand the bias then you can interpret it accordingly. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 03:24
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^^^ Mother Jones should be in that far left column. They have articles like "Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are racist" and "Eating three meals a day is racist" They are as frothing at the mouth as Alex Jones is on the far right. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 04:09
| I don't care. News are the lowest form of entertainment. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 07:47
Those aren't real articles, they are just something you made up. Now where is the bias? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 07:58
the PBJ probably is but the "Eating three meals a day is racist" isn't: [ http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/03/against-meals-breakfast-lunch-dinner" rel="nofollow - www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/03/against-meals-breakfast-lunch-dinner ]  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 08:25
The peanut butter article is also real, but it may not have been MJ. It was an example of that type of article in that publication. Edit: It was Huff post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/is-peanut-butter-and-jelly-racist_n_1874905.html" rel="nofollow - HP A school principal declared the snack favourite potentially racist. Her comments were mocked by bloggers etc, and I think it later went round in right wing news sources that the school was banning the sandwich, which wasn't actually true, as verified by Snopes. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 08:38
As you and I saw this morning on FB - most of the reaction to articles like this are based on extreme (right or left) loonies reacting to the headline without reading the body of the text. I may just get all my news from the http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/anger-as-southend-bakery-launches-hot-cross-buns-without-offensive-cross/" rel="nofollow - Southend News Network in future (and I do like to support my old home town whenever I can)------------- What? |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 09:09
The article itself is not near as bad as the title would suggest. The article title is a purposefully inflammatory title, which is unfortunate because the article itself is mostly about nutrition, with a short reference to cultural differences, but I never saw the word 'racist' used in the article. I'm not sure why they felt the need to give this article such a shallow and misleading title, its a bad choice, probably designed to get people riled up over an article that did not mean to get people riled up. |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 09:23
 Knowledge is in facts, the news is just the up-to-date feed of new facts, and if you're going off of a purposefully selected collection of facts to suggest a biased bigger picture that's just unfortunate... You learn at school to take your sources with a grain of salt and leave value judgements seperate from the fact-providers. ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 09:33
^ ture 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 10:00
Also I love your signature quote. You finally found the true scientific/political statement that defines an era.  -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 12:40
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^Where is TMZ on that thing? That seems to be the news that matters to most of the general public. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 13:47
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^That's for celebrity news,not politics.... And a celebrity could never become president here.... -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 13:54
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were does french news paper Le Monde fit on that scale, and Al Jazera -------------  
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 07 2017 at 21:54
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I voted for always biased, but regret doing so because there is some conflation of impartiality and bias. I think some media outlets are genuinely impartial. This does not mean they are unbiased, even if that bias is an uncontoversial ethos of serving the public good (uncontroversial but sadly not universal). That is still a bias, a bias which they may deserve praise for having. I have no problem with confirmation bias as long as one is capable of accepting when their hypotheses may be falsified and remains knowledgeable about contrary claims. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 08:56
| There is no such thing as being unbiased, and anyone who says they are is selling something. Bias takes hold the moment you choose what "news" you are reporting. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 09:05
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You're right. For example, neither CNN nor MSNBC aired footage of the Sweden attack or the Bowling Green massacre. The b*****ds manipulators... -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 09:44
The French have been inventing their own version of the truth for at least 1000 years, they are off the scale but no one knows which way. ------------- What? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 12:14
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I think the idea that the news is biased is exaggerated. If one simply reports an event....whatever the event....where's the bias ? I can see how the opinion pieces like those from O'Riley and Hannity are biased but not just general reporting. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 12:48
------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:09
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Mostly, yes. But I dont think biased = bad, and certainly not fake. I never once have thought of Fox as fake news, though obviously it's bad, and sources like even Vox while extremely biased, do some good writing. But we've now reached the point where 1: anything you dont like is just labeled "fake news" or 2: anything with a sniff of a bias is "bad" and that's just not true. Which is just not accurate. Heard a great interview with the lead editor of the NY times, and he explained that while we need to be fair, fact based, honest etc the idea that if there's one iota of bias it = trash is quite unrealistic. He cited reporting on civil rights back in the day and how it used colorful, powerful language (and clearly showing a bias). Would you say that pro civil rights coverage is biased fake garbage? Well to many Americans the answer to that is probably yes  But you get the point. To me the bigger problem with mainstream news are the agendas...that's what I hate, and think is detrimental to society, especially when it comes to favoring candidates and policies etc I wont even get into Breitbart and the Trumpers, they are so detached from reality and purposely twist everything to fit their camp it's not even worth wasting brain cells on. Just sad that sh*t has trickled up...now mainstream Republicans use "fake news" or say "that's a gotcha question! I wont answer" as ways to worm out of ya know, being asked real questions. That's the problem, they've now made us all have to defend the mainstream media, that many of us don't like, turning all this into more "us vs them" stuff instead of honest critique
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:19
Saw this float around, whoever made it did a superb job.Very honest, fair and accurate. Could debate a few placements but not the intent of course. Will just say NPR should be higher, as that can be some pretty complex stuff and the Economist is weird, very socially liberal and all but economically, all articles should start with "We are shills for intl banking" OH! Also I know "The Hill" has historically been a center right publication, but in recent years I noticed they were quite pro Sanders/less so Clinton and anti Trump and the overall tone of many of their articles have a liberal slant (and that's coming from me). So I guess the madness of current Republicans and politics have shifted them to the left
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:41
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I guess that Breitbart is so far right it's off the scale! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:54
As it should be! That sh*t is where we do get into the realm of legitimate fake news. Any of their stuff that is based on real events takes a kernel of it, and runs with it 1000 miles. Sad that they have become a near mainstream source now. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 15:00
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And this is a serious problem. Right wingers get all of their news from these kinds of hacks and have lost touch with reality. It's the only logical explanation for a Trump Presidency, IMHO. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 15:41
 Excellent post, each and every word.------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 15:59
ahhh no you can't blame the bat sh*t crazies..ie.. right wingers they've always been around but not in enough numbers to win on their own. It is the middle you can blame for Trump... where we as a nation failed..and sent ever founding father spinning in his grave.. thus proving why they distrusted the gen. pop..... is when the middle got stupid.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 17:30
Correct, you can't blame the wingnuts (there aren't enough of them to blame, as you point out)-- it was Pete and Becky up in Idaho with their two kids and two dogs. And it is largely why the Electorals were established, concern over mob-rule. Not sure about what the Founders would think. In the words of a departing Barack Obama: "That's how it works." ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 17:41
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it was the electoral college the failed the nation in the end I suppose hahah.. the very system put in place a safeguard for the just the thing the Founding Fathers feared.. and took 250 years to actually do.. when the American voter showed the ignorance, lack of thought, and lack of respect they owed to the right to vote. Seriously.. anyone care to disagree... the American voter elected someone with no experience, no temperment, someone who is (debatably? come on!!!) racist and misogynst who.. oh yeah.. just paid out milions for bilking his fellow Americans in a business scam.. and OH YEAH... had very serious unresolved (lack of tax returns) questions about his ties to Russia. Not f**king Italy.. but Russia who are not led by a warm and fuzzy friendly benevolent leader. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 18:14
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All news sources were reporting that Hillary was going to win, seems most of the world believed these news reports. I also checked "I don't care", watching my dog take a massive dump is more entertaining. -------------   
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 08 2017 at 18:47
Wingnuts? Oklahoma's got the most of them Boy, that got a host of them Swear to God they got most ... I do think you guys underestimate the number of right wingers that have lost touch with reality due to highly questionable online news. If you miss it the first time around, a lot of it is further propagated through email contact lists. Unfortunately I'm on some of them. I've never been on a liberal email contact list. Where are those? ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 10:39
By that definition then everything we do in life is bias so the word becomes meaningless for the most part. I don't think that is what people mean by bias when they refer to the news bias....at least I don't. IMHO it's not bias to simply pick an article piece to report....if you judge in that manner then everything is bias in life so the word becomes useless. IMHO that's over analyzing the use of bias. The bias for me comes in when a left or right slant is put on that reporting ...then that is obvious to us. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 11:30
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 12:06
I was disowned by a friend of 30 years for suggesting such a thing. It wasn't enough to cast my vote for HRC, I also had to be enthusiastic about it. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 13:51
Now, why is this so hard to comprehend? Sometimes I actually feel that the left gets what they deserve based on their never ending ability to miss the obvious.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 14:21
The right is far worse about this than the left, imo. I had to throw that in. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 15:32
I agree with your comments.....,what are your thoughts on the main stream media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc that the right claim are biased hard to the left. Do you think that's the case? And if so in what specific ways are they biased beyond what you mentioned above? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 09 2017 at 20:36
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^CNN likes intrigue in a wonkish way. They like to be organized around specific issues that are current, and they expect government to be organized and on message. They are ready to pounce if it is not, or sometimes just outwardly incredulous and mystified if it is not. This little segment illustrates some of this: %20" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WTZBvrMKbU0 The CNN Host gets a little exasperated by the Trump person, Amy Kremmer, who thought she should be talking about things other than the charge that Obama(administration's?) alleged wiretapping of Trump Tower. The host objects that they're talking about it because Trump himself brought it up. Later Paul Begala wants to connect the issue up with rigging of the election. The host objects to him also that he should not even go there (apparently because that was too far removed from the current wiretapping charge). Thus, CNN's seeking of discipline in their own agenda leads to a bias leading to outward dismay of the lack of it in the Trump administration. This probably looks like partisan bias to Trump supporters, who see CNN as not letting Trump duck and weave as own "genius" leads him to do. But I think it is really more as I described. The week night program line-up of MSNBC does have a liberal left-leaning bias. It's more than just that, though. They concentrate on analysis. And they are much more interested in connecting the dots than CNN. CNN wants to find stuff and uncover stuff. MSNBC wants to elaborate on the current events and connect them to patterns of behavior from past events. No one characterizes this more than Rachel Maddow. Her show would never be allowed to run as is on CNN. She conveys very lengthy connect the dots openings in her show that may go on for twenty minutes before a guest even comes on. MSNBC hosts are like scientists with a theory and they want to not just rally the faithful, but educate their audience. It's a bias I approve of and that is why I am quite happy with them. FOX does have a right wing bias. Unlike MSNBC, they're not much into analysis and not much into educating their audience. They rally the faithful and not a lot more. This is perhaps historically due to the educator role for conservatives being held by various institutes, the KATO Institute and the like (They're speakers are frequently covered beginning to end on C-Span), which had driven the conservative movement up until now (I don't know how that role may be shaping up in the Trump age, though). The left never gave as much over to such think tanks, and I think that is why MSNBC takes on that role of left leaning philosophers. Sorry. No more. I'm tired now. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 06:24
The BBC is often accused of being 'left wing' but I've yet to hear them - or CNN, MSNBC for that matter - ever report anything from a socialist position. People often confuse liberalism with socialism and they are actually very different things. Socialism can be very authoritarian and illiberal. All of these news outlets are pro-establishment, pro globalisation and pro corporatism. There is absolutely nothing 'left wing' about any of these concepts. I would say they are more in tune with the far right, if anything, just dressed up in liberal clothes. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 06:29
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Would a medium that publishes anything sent to them be considered unbiased? A medium like http://nervoushorse.com" rel="nofollow - Nervous Horse ™, for example? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 14:41
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I get all my news from the nervous horse |
Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: March 30 2017 at 14:51
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In France, opening a newspaper is a political act. They are all biased, from right (Le Figaro) to extreme left (L'Humanite is communist) to christian (La Croix). But we know the bias... |