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http:// www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8570

I'm pretty sure you weren't planning to go back to that headache of 'Joy of a Toy' but the reference to Syd Barrett, only now I noticed, needs to be corrected from track 14 to track 11 (was it already there? it slipped my attention before)

- Syd Barrett / guitar (11)

If you go there then I suggest, since the two singing girls ended up by being credited, that you include the track (sorry not having done it the first time), that way our effort to completeness makes a little more sense.

- Jean & Mary / vocals (9)

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^ Jose, you know, I or my teammates can't be familiar with the history of all of these thousands of bands included in our database.

In this particular case I'd like to know why these musicians
- Paul Buckmaster / Cello 
- Jeff Clyne / Bass 
should be excluded, better with quotes and links to sources. 
Otherwise I have to read and analyse the pages you've probably read and analysed before making your post. You've spent hours to get this info, then I have to spend hours to check it. I don't think it's productive.

You probably noticed that in most cases I correct reported errors and additionally update the whole album info. Because if I will not do it now I will never return to this or that particular album.

If you ask my opinion what's worth the effort, I would say (in general):
1. Correct titles and cover images (obviously).
2. Tracks' times. 
3. Media: 
- for old records it's helpful to know whether they were reissued on CD and (mostly for younger listeners) are they available as digital downloads;
- vice versa, for new records it's important to know do physical copies (CD, DVD etc) exist.
4. Release dates and reissues - editions with bonus tracks (bonus features) are especially interesting. For the album in question, there is a re-edition featuring Syd Barrett: http://www.discogs.com/Kevin-Ayers-Joy-Of-A-Toy/release/1082112. I think it's worth to be mentioned.
5. Guests - "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
For example, nobody knows who Jean & Mary are and very few care were they singing on all or only some tracks. But if we see big names (John Wetton, Robert Plant ... add your favourite artist) any fan could see the difference between - John Wetton / lead vocals (3) and - John Wetton / lead vocals. The latter supposes that he sang on all tracks and this fact is a good reason for fans to check the album.

Perhaps I make things too complex, but it's how I see the work of our team.

I don't (and can't) demand all this info from you or other people helping to improve PA database. But when suggestions are easy to check, it's very helpful. We'll correct errors and then do the rest by ourselves. 




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these (doubtful) credits came from Allmusic, but are not substantiated in other more credible sources and have contradictions with original LP
I think we can make better, either minimal (sticking strictly to the cover info) or obtaining a common denominator from compiling different sources (my suggestion - including the present on PA)
 what do you think, is it worth the effort?
take a look at my proposal

- Kevin Ayers / guitars (electric,Spanish, Hawaian & Italian), bass, vocals

With

- Robert Wyatt / drums (excl. 6,9)
- David Bedford / piano, keyboards, vocals, arrangements
- Paul Buckmaster / Cello
- Jeff Clyne / Bass
- Hugh Hopper / Bass (5)
- Paul Minns / Oboe (2)
- Sean Murphy
- Ian Knight
- Mike Ratledge / keyboards (5,6)
- Rob Tait / drums (6,9)
- Jean & Mary / vocals
 
Note: Buckmaster and Clyne are surely plausible but not specifically credited or referenced (nowhere I could find), maybe leave them with the note "uncredited" ? (I admit someone knew better and posted, so discard  seems a little bully)
Knight and Murphy are a different case - thanked in the cover but with no attribution (and if were musicians have left no trace)  leads us to think they were not instrumentists but with anyother role in the recording.

How could be made a reference to the other instruments used in the recording (remains the doubt who played what, surely the majority by KA himself, BUT...) : celeste, tambourine, organ, alto melodica, electronics, trombone, flute, piccolo, recorder, mouth organ, kazoo, cello ?


 
 

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Knight, Murphy and "ownerless" instruments not included.


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a) The designation Krakhon choir refers not to a choir of the real life but in fact is the name of a story character, exists with such name only in the plot, the actual choir being provided by several singers individually identified as such.
 
b) That condition of "director" is not confirmed, but if it would be mentioned I suggest simply as "choir director"  on account of the reason above.

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^ It was in PA credits:
--- Vocals --- 
........................................
- Krakhon Choir 
- Ann Shee / director 
......................................

You suggest:
......................................
- Ann Shee / choir
.....................................

Looks like Krakhon Choir is omitted.

Looking at MA page I think it should be:
- Krakhon Choir / choir (5 - 7, 10, 14)
- Ann Shee / Krakhon Choir director (5 - 7, 10, 14)

Right?


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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4394

we can't keep this mess (but preserved the order to make it easier to follow the E&O)

- Sascha Paeth / producer & arrangments, guitars (4,5,6,8,10,11), bass (6), organ (13), back vocals (5)
- Robert Hunecke Rizzo / producer & arrangements, piano (9,12,14), drums, guitars (all tracks exc. 3,6,11,15), bass, keyboards (2,5,7,8,9,15), back vocals (4,11)
- Amanda Somerville / story & lyrics, vocals (3,7,12), choirs
- Michael 'Miro' Rodenberg / arrangements, piano (14)

--- Instrumental ---
- Jens Johansson (ex-YNGWIE MALMSTEEN, STRATOVARIUS) / lead keyboards (2)
- Erno 'Emppu' Vuorinen (NIGHTWISH) / lead guitars (13)
- Thomas Youngblood (KAMELOT) / lead guitars (12)
- T.M. Stevens (STEVE VAI, TINA TURNER) / bass (10)
- Derek Sherinian (ex-DREAM THEATER, PLANET X) / lead keyboards (7)
- Erik Norlander (LANA LANE, ROCKET SCIENTISTS) / lead keyboards (13)
- Axel Naschke (GAMMA RAY) / organ (10)
- Olaf Reitmeier (VIRGO) / acoustic guitar (2,11)

--- Vocals ---
- Sebastian Thomson / The Storyteller (2,3)
- Glenn Hughes (DEEP PURPLE, BLACK SABBATH) / Talon (4,7,8,13)
- Candice Night (BLACKMORE'S NIGHT) / Oria (7,9)
- Tobias Sammet (EDGUY, AVANTASIA) / Narrator (4), back vocals (13)
- Marko Hietala (TAROT, NIGHTWISH) / Syrius (14)
- Michael Kiske (ex-HELLOWEEN, SUPARED) / Narrator (2,3,11,15)
- Olaf Hayer (LUCA TURILLI, DIONYSUS) / Baktuk (7)
- Damian Wilson (ex-THRESHOLD, AYREON) / King Taetius (2)
- Andre Matos (ex-ANGRA, SHAMAN) / Tyran (8)
- Thomas Rettke (ex-HEAVEN'S GATE) / Torek (4,5,6) & Sorvahr (6,7,10,14)
- Simone Simons (EPICA) / Mezzo Soprano (15)
- Sass Jordan / Oriana (14)
- The Trinity School Boys Choir / Angelic Ainae Choir (2,3,7,11,15) +  David Swinson / cond.
- Ann Shee / choir
- Oliver Hartmann (EMPTY TREMOR, ex-AT VANCE) / choir vocals (as "The Prophets")
- Herbie Langhans (SEVENTH AVENUE) / choirvocals (as "The Prophets")
- Cinzia Hunecke Rizzo / backing vocals (7,12)
- Rannveig Sif Sigurdardóttir / soprano (7,12,14)
- Nicholas Westerman / vocals (11)

see these two, but couldn't find the booklet in the web (wiki is not of great use on this issue)

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Aina/Days_of_Rising_Doom/34801

http://www.discogs.com/Aina-Days-Of-Rising-Doom-The-Metal-Opera/release/1066422




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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=53

- Masey Hattori / Grand pianos, Yamaha CP-70 & Fender Rhodes electric pianos, spinet, celeste, Hammond organ, Hohner clavinet, synthesizers (MiniMoog, PolyMoog, Solina string ensemble, Korg, Roland, Oberheim), vocoder, Mellotron
- Hiroshi Natori / drums, percussion, crystal gong
- Masahiro Torigaki / bass, effects
- Yozox Yamamoto / acoustic & electric guitars

some keys missing, others not correct, gave a general cleaning (again, strings mentioned by confusion with the solina, we've seen a few already)

E&O Team: Thanks, done.
I've only changed Solina string ensemble to Solina because the cover does not specify is it string ensemble or some other Solina instrument.


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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50005

1. Echoes Pt. 1 (19:27)
2. Echoes Pt. 2 / Childhood's End (18:19)

Total Time 37:46

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50899

should not be under EP's but a studio album

1. Spider Island (5:15)
2. New Dark Age (14:10)
3. Echoes PT. 1 (Pink Floyd cover) (19:18)
4. Echoes PT. 2 (Pink Floyd cover) (18:18)

Total Time 57:01


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On this one, NaP, I totally disagree
Your (our) ignorance of some detailed instrument/technic should allow to ignore or discard that information, providint it is confirmed and not a certified joke/mistyping/whatever bogus.
Stop a little and give this a second thought.

On this particular case I wouldn't give it the relevance it hasn't but nonetheless invite you to peek here

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_percussion

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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=50568

1. Manifesto  (4:44) 
2. Stomp The Haunted Crown  (5:56) 
3. Boundless (5:10) 
4. The Masked Ball  (7:19) 
5. Paper Hammers (3:19) 
6. Color Theory  (5:38) 
7. Billions And Billions  (5:28) 
8. With Knives As Teeth  (5:11) 
9. Cyclic  (4:57) 
10. Ovation  (4:27) 

Total time 52:09 

Martin Andres / drums, guitars, piano
   With:
Chase Bryant / electric bass
Brian Johnson / double bass 
Yoshika Masuda / cello 
Matthew Cohen / viola 

Format: CD, Vinyl, Digital

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^ Oh sorry. Thanks, done now.

By the way, I have no idea what "vocal percussion" (or Mumdpercussion) means, so I left:
- Dicky Tarrach / drums, percussion


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NaP,
I thought it would be self evident
look at this (in red to be deleted)

 Line-up / Musicians

- Achim Reichel / guitars, echo machines, vocals
- Dicky Tarrach / drums
- Hans Lampe / percussion (2)

With:
- Dicky Tarrach / drums, vocal percussion
- Hans 'Flipper' Lampe / percussion



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Hi

I would like to point out that this Eldberg album is called Þar er heimur hugans not Par er heimur hugans

 

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=48517

Also that the actual album cover can be found here
https://www.facebook.com/eldbergmusic/photos/a.145907922106834.21223.140643275966632/935112833186335/?type=3&theater

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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36042

a big mess

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Hope it's better now: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=36042. Otherwise I don't know how to show that there are "Seven acts in 13 tracks".


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Look closer please, the credits are duplicated !

E&O Team: Which ones?
LP and Deluxe CD track lists are quite different. What's wrong?


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nothing against crediting lyrics but the rest is incomplete

- Achim Reichel / guitars, echo machines, vocals

With:
- Dicky Tarrach / drums, vocal percussion
- Hans 'Flipper' Lampe / percussion
- Frank Dostal / lyrics




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Moved crediting lyrics  to Release Info. Credited composer as well.


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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12364

- Joe 'JoeFro' Shrewsbury  / guitar
- Paul Wolinski / guitar, electronics
- Simon Wright / bass
- Rob Jones / drums

http://www.discogs.com/65daysofstatic-One-Time-For-All-Time/master/193573

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The band members names and instruments are the same like what I posted in their new album, please add it to the first 3 albums

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What respects to the release date, every source I was able to consult concurs with 1989

E&O Team: Thanks, changed to 1989.

The line-up to the 2005 SE of "More than meets the eye" is a bit of a mess and I don't have that particular  edition so it's more difficult to give complete certainty as info is scarce online.
What I did, since the first 8 tracks of CD2 are in fact a rerelease of the first album, was to point that at least that source could (should) be transcribed to be consistent. Better than nothing, right?

Now, as long as I could find, tracks 9-13 are all early demos starting in 1984 (still with Nick May on bass!) and up to 1986, the musicians I could not confirm - maybe our fellow SSOTS, who apparently could have been the last to edit the entry, is able to clarify a bit more?

In addition to the correction I mentioned on that former post...

( maybe altering the header to
 2005 special edition
CD2 Tracks 1 to 8:)

... you could also correct:

12. The beginning end and the end (4:56)

Electric Giant Electric Pea

Giant Pea Electric Pea

Bonus CD tracks 1 - 8 are from the Rothery demos back in 1987/88 previously released in 1989 on LP;
tracks 9-13 are earlyer demos starting in 1984, previously unreleased

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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=35505
 
- Gary Chandler / lead guitar, vocals
- Trevor Dawkins / bass guitar
- Pete Salmon / keyboards, bass pedals
- Mark Law / drums (1 - 4)
- Paul Alwin / drums (5 - 8)

Thanks, done.
The question is the album release year - 1990 on PA, 1989 according to discogs and Wiki.
I wanted to change the year, but this page http://www.discogs.com/Jadis-Jadis/release/3518634 reads:
"Released: 01 Apr 1989

Side One: Recorded April 1989 
Side Two: Recorded December 1986/Sept 1987"
Obviously something (release or recording date) is wrong.

Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

accordingly the same line-up for this one
 
 
should look like this
 
 2005 special edition
CD2 Tracks 1 to 10:
- Gary Chandler / lead guitar, vocals 
- Trevor Dawkins / bass guitar
- Pete Salmon / keyboards, bass pedals
- Mark Law / drums (1 - 4)
- Paul Alwin / drums (5 - 8)

It's not that simple.
Current info:
CD2 Tracks 1 to 10:
- Gary Chandler / guitar, vocals 
- Trevor Dawkins / bass guitar
- Pete Salmon / keyboards
- Paul Alwin / drums (5, 6, 7 & 8)
- Mark Law / drums

Your suggestion (OK, it's right for tracks 1 - 8):
CD2 Tracks 1 to 10:
- Gary Chandler / lead guitar, vocals 
- Trevor Dawkins / bass guitar
- Pete Salmon / keyboards, bass pedals
- Mark Law / drums (1 - 4)
- Paul Alwin / drums (5 - 8)

But who played drums on tracks 9 and 10?
And, by the way, the line-up for track 13 is missing.


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