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Poll Question: pick the winner of the 2015 PA's modern album tournament
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I've never liked Japan but David Sylvian solo career is excellent. Plight and Premonitions with Holger Czuckay is great.
And sorry...I didn't like the pop Talk Talk and even if there's people saying that they converted to prog I never felt the need to explore them.
So I admit my ignorance regarding them.

And I'm writing this only because I'm quoted above.  


Luca, not liking them is perfectly OK. There's plenty of stuff I dislike too. What I (and others) object to is trying to prove a bogus theory by using a perfectly harmless poll as a springboard.
Not liking what I know of them...I have to say that this story is starting to make me curious. 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I've never liked Japan but David Sylvian solo career is excellent. Plight and Premonitions with Holger Czuckay is great.
And sorry...I didn't like the pop Talk Talk and even if there's people saying that they converted to prog I never felt the need to explore them.
So I admit my ignorance regarding them.

And I'm writing this only because I'm quoted above.  


Luca, not liking them is perfectly OK. There's plenty of stuff I dislike too. What I (and others) object to is trying to prove a bogus theory by using a perfectly harmless poll as a springboard.
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I've never liked Japan but David Sylvian solo career is excellent. Plight and Premonitions with Holger Czuckay is great.
And sorry...I didn't like the pop Talk Talk and even if there's people saying that they converted to prog I never felt the need to explore them.
So I admit my ignorance regarding them.

And I'm writing this only because I'm quoted above.  
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)
Nothing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.


Yeah we get it. You don't like Talk Talk.
Wait till that cycles into this:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ OK, Svet, we get it: you hate Talk Talk and Spirit Of Eden. Let it go.
It's not true that I hate Spirit of Eden. In fact, I wrote at the 1st page on this thread, in my reply to octopus-4, that Spirit of Eden is a great 80s art rock album:
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Is Talk Talk prog?
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Of course not. Spirit of Eden is a great album of 80s Art Rock (70s Art Rock had not contain that ambiental element). Actually, this is a "prog vs art rock" (i.e. "progressive rock album vs non progressive rock album") poll.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)

Nohing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.


Not me, I voted Anglagard. Pretty amazing that I manage to differentiate two bands, liking one and not the other, no idea how I managed that.

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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)
Nothing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.


Yeah we get it. You don't like Talk Talk.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)

Nohing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.


Not me, I voted Anglagard. Pretty amazing that I manage to differentiate two bands, liking one and not the other, no idea how I managed that.
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Do I think of Nick Logan and Bob Woffinden ? Well, no, but you don't seem to trust them into ever getting the right points do you ? 

Like anything that makes life (and communication) easier, it'd mean no b*llsh*t to persuade encyclopedists, would it.

If we could read on Wikipedia about the points you're defending here it'd help us agree.
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Originally posted by sophos sophos wrote:

(...) ... Have you discussed it with encyclopedists ?
LOL Why should I discuss with the encyclopaedists (are you think on Nick Logan and Bob Woffinden? Big smile) despite all of these prog gods who scribble on these forums?
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

(...) I asked what is prog about Lennon's singing on "Mr Kite"?
The manner of Lennon' singing on Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite! is not Rock / Art Rock, because Lennon's singing contains a nuance of a chorus for example like this, and with the music that creates an atmosphere of a circus poster from 19th century (what actually inspired Lennon for the song), that is prog regarding Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite!.

You seem to suggest that  the art rock sung lines should remain simple and free from meanders so as to stand out of the remaining lines. Interesting that someone suggest it. Now this is not a widespread way to distinguish art rock and prog... Have you discussed it with encyclopedists ?
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

 but I couldn't help but think that the people who are praising this album are the same people who hate Porcupine Tree and Hogarth era Marillion.

Which would be pretty ironic because Happiness is Easy is pretty much the template for In Absentia/Deadwing PT.  Radiohead also initially imitated them they were more original in mixing different influences and broke away.  In PT/SW, it seems to be rather obvious, barely an attempt to disguise the Talk Talk influence.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Quote I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what  Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters.
 
p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts.
Brilliant, the more you copy that link the more apt it becomes.
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Quote I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what  Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters.
 
p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)
Nothing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.
The only thing a sore loser loses is his dignity.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

(...) I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. (...)
Nothing really spectacular if a voter of Talk Talk says so.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

As opposed to repeatedly stating an opinion as fact, that wouldn't be futile at all. Ermm

<span ="hps">Hey you</span> <span ="hps">clever</span> <span ="hps">one</span><span>, just tell me</span> <span ="hps">quickly</span> <span ="hps">why</span> King Crimson were <span ="hps">not accepted the singer</span><span ="hps"> Elton</span> <span ="hps">John to join</span> <span ="hps">the band</span> <span ="hps">after</span> <span ="hps">an audition?</span>


How the hell do I, or you, know why, it's pure speculation. One singer and band does not make a rule, its just opinionated bollocks. I'd personally loved to have heard David Sylvian in Crimson. You just keep posting opinions as facts. We can't even agree what is prog son it's a nonsense to define rules about vocalists.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

(...) I asked what is prog about Lennon's singing on "Mr Kite"?
The manner of Lennon' singing on Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite! is not Rock / Art Rock, because Lennon's singing contains a nuance of a chorus for example like this, and with the music that creates an atmosphere of a circus poster from 19th century (what actually inspired Lennon for the song), that is prog regarding Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite!.
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Originally posted by King Only King Only wrote:

I think Elton John becoming King Crimson's vocalist would have been awesome. Honestly disappointed that it didn't happen.

I don't know if Fripp and Elton would have been able to get along at a personal level though. I've heard that Elton used to go on drinking and drug binges and go crazy in his early days. Hard to believe when you look at him now (or maybe not?).
At that time an unknow singer Elton John was supposed to sing on Poseidon, for 250-pound fee and after the departure of Greg Lake from the band, but Fripp decided that Elton John's manner of singing is not suitable for the band as King Crimson. And it was the right decision because his manner of singing wasn't the prog manner of singing. Elton John's manner of singing in 1970 was Art Rock manner of singing.

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^ That's what I love about Lake. He can go from the heavily distorted vocals of Schizoid to the soft I Talk To The Wind to the mysterious Crimson King.
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Originally posted by King Only King Only wrote:

I think Elton John becoming King Crimson's vocalist would have been awesome. Honestly disappointed that it didn't happen.
 
OT: This got me thinking about who else I'd like to have heard sing in Crimson and my mind's ear has now got fixated on Peter Hammill singing ITCOCK. I can hear it as clear as day. And it's bloody terrible Cry
 
His version of 21CSM is awesome though Thumbs Up
 
 
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