Modern album FINAL!!! Hybris v. Spirit of Eden
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Topic: Modern album FINAL!!! Hybris v. Spirit of Eden
Posted By: micky
Subject: Modern album FINAL!!! Hybris v. Spirit of Eden
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:10
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and also after 3 months of hijacking the polls section and pissing on Steve Wilson, Neal Morse, and retro prog schlock... we have arrived to the final to have... retro prog schlock.. even if well done.. against a brilliant album which set the course for modern progressive rock... who will win... Vegas has this rated as a toss up... they don't have a clue..  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:15
If you vote for Spirit Of Eden you will end world hunger...you don't hate starving children, do you?  ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:16
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Spirit of Eden... by many.. MANY lightyears. Only 2 albums in the modern contest would have got the vote over it.. and both of those went out in the first round and sure as hell were NOT retro prog albums ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:18
| "Hybris" has never really grown on me, but I find myself listening to it much more often than "Spirit Of Eden" - my favourite Talk Talk record that I've owned for a long time now. Still there's no question it's Talk Talk for me, but I imagine Anglagard will win this, especially seeing their PA rating. "Hybris" is fairly inconsistent IMO, but "Jordrok" is an excellently written, quintessential prog song, so I certainly won't be angry if they do win. |
Posted By: MothTwiceborn
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:29
| I'm not allowed to vote apparently, but deffo Spirit of Eden. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:31
it is open for a week.. you need a certain number of points/posts before you can vote in polls here. A lame attempt to keep people from creating fake ID's and voting multiple times.. like anyone would do that  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
MothTwiceborn wrote:Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:01
| First vote for Hybris. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:08
Didn't expect Spirit of Eden to go this far. Oh well, it sure deserves it  ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:11
likely giving it 5 bonus votes for knocking PT out of the tournament At least we did not get a SWilson /PT modern final. I might have.. sh*t.. WOULD have left the forum if that had happened.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:13
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Is Talk Talk prog? ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:15
is it a clone of 70's prog.. nope. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:24
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:30
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Talk Talk is not even Prog. BTW: Retro Prog is a silly tag, it's only Symphonic Prog, a genre that still lives today. There's retro Pop because Pop tends to have a short lapse of life, but Prog is made to last, so something recorded 20 years after the genre started is not retro. It's like calling Classical Era as retro Baroque. Hybris is PURE PROG. ------------- 
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:37
Spirit of Eden. One of the best I discovered on the modern polls (I didn't listen to half of the albums though  ). |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 11:35
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Spirit -------------  
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 11:44
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Hybris is strong and tight, but Spirit of Eden is overwhelmingly beautiful, and constructed with the utmost skill and care.
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 12:23
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Don't like either. Will go with Hybris. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 12:27
| Fairly nice vs. Tedious. Easy win for Hybris. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 13:25
Not really. Hybris for me by a fair way. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:04
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Hybris ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:14
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Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament????? ------------- 
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:43
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Talk Talk are not prog. They are too good to be prog. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:48
Well, there are lots of people who don't think Rush are prog either ... |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:51
By being one of the greatest albums ever recorded...? That said, it's not an album to grok on one listen. My first spin, shortly after it came out, didn't make much impression on me either. I shelved it, but came back to it periodically, and eventually it clicked. I'm enduringly pleased that I made the effort with it. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:57
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Hybris! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 15:12
I didn't dislike the Talk Talk album, I just didn't find myself overly impressed with it either. I will be the first to admit that one listen doesn't make me an expert so maybe it will impress more with future listens, but I couldn't help but think that the people who are praising this album are the same people who hate Porcupine Tree and Hogarth era Marillion. -------------
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:08
Out of interest, what difference would it make if they were? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:09
^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talk I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:15
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:26
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Just for the record: I don't hate either PT or SW - I just don't think they are the best thing since sliced bread as far as modern progressive rock is concerned. As to Hogarth-era Marillion, I know too little about them to judge, let alone bash them. What I have heard did not turn me off, but neither did it rock my world. Anyway, I haven't been interested in "what is/is not prog?" debates for years, and am much more concerned about what I like and what I don't. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:29
I think Hybris is the weakest Anglagard record. They hadn't really absorbed their influences. 5 Suns is an interesting case. Based on the Hackney Empire KC gig a couple of weeks ago, Guapo were if anything pre-emptively ripping off the 2015 version 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:30
Hey the Nebs, no one talks about them anymore. Love NoVa eXPReSS . ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:44
I have only streamed a couple of the subsequent albums, but they didn't grab me either. Killer musicians though...but then again so are The Flower Kings. As for your last remark: AAAAAARRGGHHH!!! Me so jealous. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:45
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wow! I can't believe semi finals came down to Choirs of the Eye v De-loused v Within the Realm of a Dying Sun v Part the Second *rubs eyes* oh nevermind. But I never expected talk talk to make it this far so that's pretty neat. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:45
Me too. That was, incidentally, also the album I was thinking of. Great band with a very impressive rhythm section. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 17:49
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Hybris ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:01
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Very tough choice here as the Talkers album has become a new favorite of sorts. Guess I will stir the pot with Spirit of Eden. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:45
a fun discussion for sure.. but ultimatelyu pointless as there is no answer.. only what the individual perceives it to be. that said.. that is why I found this particular final to be so much more interesting than the one legged ass kicking contest of a classic final.  This one has sauce.. so what does one really prefer.. old school 'prog rock'.. or new school 'progressive rock'. That is why Vegas couldn't figure out how this contest would go.. naturally there will be more old school fans here than those inclined to more expirmental or ground breaking music. Oh the irony.. but that is balanced out by Spirit of Eden being an album that will still be highly regarded in 50 years.. while the Hybris album lost to time. it simply isn't a special album. Just a popular one to today's prog fan. Spirit of Eden was a watershed musical movement that launched a entirely distinct and still very relevant today musical movement..which has been embraced by the prog rock camp.. even if sounds nothing like old school prog. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:49
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Mike you should write a book (or at least a column). ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:50
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not enough sex or violence in prog to make it worth my while ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:52
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Yes it is a somewhat tame scene, but it is rock and there is debauchery to be found underneath logs and stuffed in the backs of drawers. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:57
hmmm.. yeah true that. I should set my crack team of Progspin investigative reporters to finding it... I'd start with Fripp.. you know he's probably got a few skeletons in the closet. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:58
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I would add my own 2 cents to what my better half just wrote in his post. Of these two albums, Spirit of Eden is the one that stands a chance to appeal to an audience other than established, long-time prog fans. If we really want progressive rock to last beyond the natural life span of its initiators and first-hour followers, we need to expand its definition - or, instead of a living art form, we will be left with a museum artifact. As much as I dislike Prog magazine, I think their decision to expand their scope to include bands such as Tame Impala was an excellent move. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:04
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like it or not (purists and elitists) that is where progressive rock is today.. and continuing to go. For the 100th time darling.. think back to what that dude from White WIillow wrote after Nearfest bit the dust. It is a new world out there... and was time for a divorce of the old school prog rock and new school progressive rock camps. Some love both, many love and will support one or the other to the determint of the other. Many of these bands don't associate, classify themselves as 'prog' nor restrict themselves are their potential audiences by pining for the few open minded prog fans out there. They are going after todays open minded listener who just does not care if it is labeled prog rock or progressive rock or what have you.. they simply care if it is good and entertaining. Thankfully there are a lot of bands out there putting out just such music for open minded fans of adventurous music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:18
Now that the Vatican and the Papacy hooked on prog you'll have sex and violence to the extreme...  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:21
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YES!!! god I love this Pope... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:50
Talktalk felt really backwards looking to me, with hints of Velvets and Floyd rather than being anything that leaps out and brains me and steals my wallet. I'm mostly just bitter that the final isn't between and But y'know, hopefully next year the pope takes all. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 20:36
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 21:43
Well, when we were all hanging around Detroit in the '80's, we found that Spirit of Eden was a natural progression from the group's new wave sounds and just ate it up. "I Believe In You" was a massive hit in many clubs, and you could find its music video on MTV sometimes, late at night. Magical times. Got many of us into prawg.  -------------
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 23:02
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 01:46
Spirit of Eden is not Progressive rock at all, actually it is not prog album on the first listen nor even after hundreds of listening, it's a different genre than prog, and that genre have its name and that's name is Art Rock. Art Rock section was stupidly thrown out from the PA, I presume for reasons to insert artificial categories as "Prog Related" and "Crossover Prog". And as a result you have e.g. 10cc, one of the greatest 70s Art Rock bands, in that artificial "prog related" category. That was a big disgrace to do that for such a band as 10cc to call them "prog related" instead of Art Rock - the real genre where they actually belongs in the history of rock music in general. So Talk Talk belongs to PA due to Spirit of Eden, but only in the case that the Art Rock section still exists.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 02:30
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^So the lady says that she isn't interested in discussing this matter, and then you naturally start discussing it with her? Brilliant. No means yes. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:14
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Hybris. While I can see why Spirit of Eden is considered prog, it is effectively the blue print for a lot of post rock, I still find it mind numbingly boring. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:23
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:26
^ Svetonio, not only are you being arrogant; you are also not making much sense (at least to me). Let it go.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:38
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:40
It's nothing "arrogant" if I said the truth about the album you voted for.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:51
No one is discussing it with you and no one cares what you think. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 06:27
| i voted for "Spirit of Eden". |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 06:58
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Two things, and then I'm out of this thread for good: 1) As I was in charge of the Art Rock team at the time the split was discussed and then implemented, calling said split "stupid" is fighting words. If anyone doesn't like the way PA is organized, they are free to look for a "pure" prog website where abominations such as having 10cc in Prog Related or Spirit of Eden categorized as prog are not to be found. 2) This is how the other major prog database - aka ProgGnosis - categorizes Talk Talk: http://www.proggnosis.com/ARTIST_Detail.aspx?AID=3681" rel="nofollow - http://www.proggnosis.com/ARTIST_Detail.aspx?AID=3681 Perhaps those who object to the Crossover Prog subgenre will find "Prog Pop" more to their taste. Moreover, to debunk the myth that PA is the only place where Spirit of Eden is labeled as prog, here's what the ProgGnosis review says: http://www.proggnosis.com/Release_Detail.aspx?RID=9980" rel="nofollow - http://www.proggnosis.com/Release_Detail.aspx?RID=9980 |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 07:29
while I love to rock.. and always gravitate to more visceral music... one can't deny that music when is at its best.. it radiates a beauty that touches the hardest or most cynical of hearts. One that makes one feel the joy of living and the beauty of the world around us. Spirit of Eden was that album for me Andy. Boring?.. no more than seeing the most beautiful of women.. the most majestic of mountains.. the cutest of kittens.. the sweetest of young children. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 08:31
To each their own Micky. I've tried getting into Spirit of Eden several times and I have the same problem with it as I do most Post Rock that draws inspiration heavily from this album, while it's certainly nice and I can see perfectly well why the term beautiful is the go to adjective for it, it really struggles to hold my attention so that I can barely remember anything but the most vague impressions of the album without going back to listen to it. Something that I rarely feel inclined to do. When it comes to beautiful music, my go to band tends to be White Willow, any of their 6 albums tend to paint the most beautiful of scenes for me. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 08:54
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fair enough.. wasn't trying to single you out or pull a 'taste' card on you..I just found it odd to label an album boring.. when it is not remotely intending to be anything approaching inducing excitement the way a good rollicking album should. It is what it is.. it connects with a listener or it does not.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 08:56
I will say here that Spirit of Eden is not a Progressive rock album, because it's simply true.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:16
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Hybris is a winner no matter the final results. Can someone imagine an album not sung in English reaching the finals?  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:34
 should have been the PFM album ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:40
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Nonsense make that Il Balletto di Bronzo's Ys ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:41
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hell.. BOTH! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:56
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Need to listen to Talk Talk again before voting, first two times have done nothing for me. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 10:26
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Hmmm...Eden is 27 years old and Hybris is 23 years old......not all that modern. Neither album would make my top 50 prog list modern or not......I'll cast my vote for Hybris. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 10:29
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in 10 years we'll have 3 brackets classic the Neo/retroprog/SWilson dark years and a true 'modern' ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 10:31
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I prefer the Univer Zero / Present / Shub Niggurath dark years :D ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 10:33
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 10:47
<3 ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 11:07
I know, but I've been saying EoE sucks all the way through so might as well say why I think it sucks. For me boring is when an album fails to connect in anyway with me, music doesn't have to be full on hard rockign to be exciting, or riveting, but it does have to grab my attention in some way. That last sentence couldn't be more true.
This is why most people consider you a complete arse, because it's simply true. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 11:14
------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 12:05
| Hybris is good, but Spirit of Eden changed my life. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 23:53
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 04:03
| Although I very much admire Talk Talk, who used to be a more commercial band, for their very unusual move towards very original and uncommercial music (usually inventive bands turn commercial after some years), I choose with my heart: Hybris is closer to my heart. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 12:19
Well 3 listens in and it's just not working for me. Hybris it is (though my heart is with Guapo) ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 12:20
Yeah, I think forced or hurried listening usually does not have the same effect. When I first listened to Talk Talk, it happened to be the right time and was sort of a casual listen and was ready to kick back and try something new. It just struck a chord with me (pun not intended) and clicked. That and an extra glass of Merlot may have had something to do with it. The beauty of these silly polls is to get exposed to new music which is always a good thing! -------------
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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:01
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Doesn't matter because I can't vote for Koenjihyakkei. No vote |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:12
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:25
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:27
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Love Talk Talkt, but Hybris wins to me. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Disparate Times
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:36
| Talk talk easily, this is like a slap in the face to modern prog with the age of these two finalist. |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 18:52
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Hybris is a nice album. How much I enjoy tends to vary a bit but it is one of those albums that you can throw on when you cannot think of something else. Therein lies its problem I guess. What's more I've not really been motivated by Hybris to go off and explore more of Anglagard's catalogue. Nonetheless I'm going to do so and have another full listen to Hybris before I vote. Otoh, Eden has me totally sucked in and has had since pretty much first listen. The bombast of 70's Prog/ArtRock/Symphonic whatever the truck you want to call it was for me a wondrous thing but even back then I needed on occasion something a bit simpler, a bit cleaner and for me a bit bleaker to clear the bombast induced fog. Not that there was anything wrong with the fog but we all need some shade with our light. Full moon is a wondrous thing as it rises over the ocean but its only on moonless nights that you get to see the stars. What is more, Eden has had me scrabbling to find what else these guys did and I'm starting to get a bit pissed that I didn't find them 30 years ago. Eden may be their masterpiece but Colour of Spring and Laughing Stock are not to be sneezed at. Nor is Mark Hollis' S/T solo album. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:00
Well I love Koenji too but I still voted. I mean... I'm probably gonna have to choose between a butthole and a wackjob for president and I'll probably vote for something at least or maybe write in my dad's name. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:27
Totally agree - Also very much attached to their earlier album "The Party's Over" the title track, an amazing song which should have had more notice - I never tire listening to Mark Hollis' passionate voice - ------------- - Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats - |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:47
| just broke the tie in favor of Talk Talk |
Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02
Änglagård, Hybris.------------- Master James of St. George. Of the fields and the sky. He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood. But lines get broken down. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 00:50
As Spirit of Eden is not a prog album but an art-rock/ambiental effort made by well know 80s British New Wave makers of sh*t synth pop hits what were the anthithesis of prog rock at the time, Hybris is the winner! So, cheers for the winner album sung in the native language of such a great prog rock band Änglagård |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:04
The term 'retro-prog' could be used as a description only, and only for the albums by the bands who insisted on vintage instruments like 70s analog synths, full analog recording process and so on.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:14
Why retro? Why a musical genre has to last 2, 3 or 15 years? Symphonic started with The Nice (IMHO) and lasts until today. Probably retro could be used in genres created to be an ephemeral fashion and died after a period of time like Disco, but Prog was created to last, and Symphonic of today is as valid as Symphonic from the 70's. Anglagard played the same Symphonic as Genesis or King Crimson's debut, they are retro nothing, Symphonic never died. -------------
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:24
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 04:12
In the first sentence of that only one review, Marc wrote this:
This is the crucial evidence that "Marc" has no idea about Prog Rock. Marc The Reviewer actually thinks that every experimental and ambiental album is - prog. And therefore it is futile to any further discussion whether Marc knows what is art rock, although the most noticeable difference between prog and art rock is the manner of singing (e.g. due to the manner of singing, The Beatles' A Day In The Life is art rock song, not prog, although the song is quite experimental). But, to catch up on the huge ignorance as "Marc's review at the other major prog database" really is, and to use that for writing a revised history of our beloved genre, that is something very bad. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 04:26
My guess is that "Marc" simply uses the term Prog in an other way than you do - meaning Talk Talk went (full) progressive with Spirit of Eden. Post Rock, Art Rock... bands such as Radiohead, Tortoise etc... fit in at PA as its all modern Progressive Rock while Prog usually means something more specific, based on an approach developed in the late 60's-early 70's. But I'm not going to claim that someone has no clue based on using those terms a little different than I do.
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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 05:58
I'm well aware of that and I'm not arguing against it. Still it doesn't matter for me who wins. Both are good in their own way. |
Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:08
I'm well aware of that, just wanted to express my personal view on that final. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:17
Hmm, the "winner album" is losing at the moment. |