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Atavachron 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65253 |
 Posted: September 30 2015 at 23:45 |
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Semantics, gentlemen. It's all semantics.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 23:39 |
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What? Overture Underture Amazing Journey 1921 Welcome We're not Gonna Take it Are Prog tracks. The fact that Tommy is not a full Prog Opera is because in 1968 PROG HAD'T DEVELOPED COMPLETELY. This has no relation with the vocals
It's more than obvious you're not a music teacher. The manner of singing is a matter of personal characteristics and vocal range, if the music fits into the Prog genre, you can put Axl Rise to sing and will still be Prog.
What? David Byron's Uriah Heep Greg Lake's ELP Peter Gabriel's Genesis Steve Walsh's Kansas David Surkamp's Pavlov's Dog John Wetton's King Crimson Fish's Marillion Francesco di Giacomo's Banco del Mutuo Soccorso PFM Le Orme Are bands in which vocals and lyrics are as important as any instrument. And could mention 100 more Have you ever heard Jesús de la Rosa from Triana? The music is pure Prog and he was a damned cante Hondo singer. Have you ever heard Jose Cid? Sings like a frustrated hard rock vocalist, but 10,000 Anos Depois Entre Venus e Marte is 100% Prog Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 30 2015 at 23:45 |
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 22:35 |
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Roger Daltrey was even left the Who in 1968 for a while because didn't want to sing Townshend' songs in prog manner and refused that the songs would be arranged in prog manner what actually was a desire of always fashionable Pete Townshend to turn The Who into prog band just because "progressive music" was something the most "IN" in the fashionable London in late 60s. However, Roger Daltrey was a hardcore fan of Elvis Presley and he didn't like prog. (I read in an article that Roger Daltrey, when Townshend showed to him his first songs for Tommy, said "do you expect me to sing this sh*t?") I'm not a music teacher nor a musician, just a fan, so I can't explain those things on that "school way" if you expected so, but I already gave some examples. For a smart person it would be enough to understand that Rock manner of singing and Prog manner of singing is not the same thing. Actually, it's very different. Why? Probably the main reason is that that in Prog the voice is way more just one of the instruments than in Rock. Edited by Svetonio - September 30 2015 at 22:53 |
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sublime220
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Joined: January 21 2015 Location: Willow Farm Status: Offline Points: 1563 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 19:14 |
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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t d wombat
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Joined: August 14 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 504 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 18:09 |
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Do I think either of these albums are the epitome of Prog ? Course not, but that is just the way the poll worked out. Big deal. Me I didn't know either of these two before this and now own them both so hey, I'm happy.
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Andrew B
“Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
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dr wu23
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Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20623 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 16:42 |
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Hmmm....imho neither album deserves to be in a final for best modern prog album......but then I mostly listen to old retro classic stuff anyway....and bands that have a similar style. So there it is.  |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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GentleGiant
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Joined: January 09 2006 Location: PantagrueLand Status: Offline Points: 445 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 13:09 |
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One more vote for Hybris (stupid poll)
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BeGiantForADay
"This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix." http://rateyourmusic.com/~GentleG |
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chopper
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Posted: September 30 2015 at 11:02 |
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It's nothing to do with whether Spirit is prog or not, I just didn't understand what you meant by "Art-Rock the manner of singing is Rock manner of singing, not Prog Rock manner". I was actually interested in what you saw as the difference between the two, but if you're just going to be rude then I won't bother to ask again. It's nothing to do "raping our beloved genre" (What a ridiculous comment!). Regardless of what you think, Talk Talk are on PA under Crossover so deal with it. |
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sublime220
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Joined: January 21 2015 Location: Willow Farm Status: Offline Points: 1563 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 10:21 |
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Excellent comparison of Kind Of Blue
 
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 09:38 |
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For God's sake, it's a damn poll.
I don't believe Talk Talk is Prog...But what the hell. If Talk Talk wins....Hybris will continue being as good as it is, the poll won't change a bit the nature of the album. "A Kind of Blue" was in the top albums of the site and it's not remotely Prog, but that ranking didn't changed the natiure of the album. Let it be Svetonio.
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 07:11 |
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 06:55 |
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As a said earlier, some people had no idea about Prog Rock at the time when they came to these pages. Edited by Svetonio - September 30 2015 at 07:08 |
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octopus-4
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14110 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 06:29 |
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I want to clarify that I'm quite ignorant about Talk Talk except for their 80s pop hits (which I didn't like).
They may have converted into a prog band at some time, but I have seen also Japan being added some time ago. Apart of the presence of some David Sylvian I honestly don't see how they can be considered progressive. It's my personal opinion of course. I don't pretend to own the truth about progginess. Anyway if I think to modern albums, without going for RIO or Zeuhl, I think to Ayreon's The Human Equation, Spock's Beard "Snow". Mostly Autumn's "The Last Bright Light", Riverside's "Second Life Syndrome", Iamthemorning's first album, just to mention the first which come to my mind. Then, can we call "modern" a band "formed in 1981"? |
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 20847 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 05:57 |
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I'm so glad the unofficial prog police are here to make sure all non-prog is identified. All hail true prog.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
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Mascodagama
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5111 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 03:44 |
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"rape our beloved genre"
I think you should call the Prog Police, Svet. Thirty-seven genre rapists on this site is a serious matter. p.s. Talk Talk fans, please remember that no means no. |
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SaltyJon
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Posted: September 30 2015 at 03:30 |
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Talk Talk wins my vote without even lifting its fairly vocal pinky.
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TeleStrat
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Joined: December 27 2014 Location: Norwalk, CA Status: Offline Points: 9319 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 02:02 |
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Hybris for me
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 30 2015 at 00:26 |
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It's not true that I hate Spirit of Eden. In fact, I wrote at the 1st page on this thread, in my reply to octopus-4, that Spirit of Eden is a great 80s art rock album:
I just said the truth that Spirit of Eden is not Prog Rock and, as you can see, I explained the true nature of this poll (prog album vs non prog album). Well, I know that the truth can be pretty painful and at least I hope that there is a consensus about that the Talk Talk's sh*t synth pop hits aren't Prog - or maybe they are also Prog for Talk Talk fanatics?
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Dayvenkirq
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Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: September 29 2015 at 23:46 |
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^ OK, Svet, we get it: you hate Talk Talk and Spirit Of Eden. Let it go.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 29 2015 at 23:49 |
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 23:40 |
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Edited by Svetonio - September 29 2015 at 23:41 |
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