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WrytXander
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Topic: Why Entangled? Posted: June 10 2015 at 07:10 |
Okay.
I love Entangled.
But can someone explain to me why everyone seems to worship it with such a passion?
I don't see how it's any more special than Ripples or Mad Mad Moon, so please somebody help me out
I'm not a hater or anything, it's just I don't see the way a lot of people seem to do, some preferring it over even Watcher of the Skies. What's the huge appeal that I'm missing? What secret formula, and what other songs employ this formula to make themselves more appealing?
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fudgenuts64
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 07:13 |
Mellotron and ARP 2600 outro. An incredible high point artistically - beating out the rest of the album for me.
Edited by fudgenuts64 - June 10 2015 at 07:14
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 07:16 |
Mellotron and ARP outro....... WHAT A FRIGGIN' CRESCENDO.............. The blissful 'song' part is plain gorgeous. A Trick Of The Tail - one of the best Prog albums of all time !!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 07:22 |
Exactly Tom. It's the duet between these two electronic critters, and ultimately that beautiful crescendo, that really takes this song from a lovely little tune and metamorphoses it into a towering phoenix of sound. I always always get goosebumps during this section. Never fails.
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 07:30 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Exactly Tom. It's the duet between these two electronic critters, and ultimately that beautiful crescendo, that really takes this song from a lovely little tune and metamorphoses it into a towering phoenix of sound. I always always get goosebumps during this section. Never fails. |
This. And the wonderful harmonies in the chorus. Ripples is also great.
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UMUR
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 08:42 |
You said it David. I can´t say it better. Goosebumps every time...
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 08:45 |
WrytXander wrote:
Okay.
I love Entangled.
But can someone explain to me why everyone seems to worship it with such a passion?
I don't see how it's any more special than Ripples or Mad Mad Moon, so please somebody help me out
I'm not a hater or anything, it's just I don't see the way a lot of people seem to do, some preferring it over even Watcher of the Skies. What's the huge appeal that I'm missing? What secret formula, and what other songs employ this formula to make themselves more appealing? |
As others have said, the outro is sublime. From a historical standpoint it's a milestone song, love it or hate it, many people look at Entangled as the first 'Neo Prog' song. So many bands afterwards copied that style, there are several Marillion albums not to mention a lot of Sylvan's discography that can be traced back to this song. It was really different from anything else that was going on at that moment in time.
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Manuel
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 09:04 |
My guess is "personal taste'. There are some pieces that most people seem to like a lot, and others don't have a clue as to why, such is the world we live in.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 09:06 |
UMUR wrote:
You said it David. I can´t say it better. Goosebumps every time... |
Right on Jonas. There are those rare tunes that just get you each and every time you put them on. Entangled is one of those for me. Others include Floyd's Echoes from Live at Pompeii, The Savage Rose 'Ballad of Gale' and Amon Düül ll's 'Jalousie' off the Vive la Trance album.
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 09:07 |
Manuel wrote:
My guess is "personal taste'. There are some pieces that most people seem to like a lot, and others don't have a clue as to why, such is the world we live in. |
This. This. This.
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Svetonio
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:17 |
WrytXander wrote:
Okay.
I love Entangled.
But can someone explain to me why everyone seems to worship it with such a passion?
I don't see how it's any more special than Ripples or Mad Mad Moon, so please somebody help me out
I'm not a hater or anything, it's just I don't see the way a lot of people seem to do, some preferring it over even Watcher of the Skies. What's the huge appeal that I'm missing? What secret formula, and what other songs employ this formula to make themselves more appealing? |
It seems that some albums, some classic songs from the 70s, once are more popular than others among prog fans, but later the situation can often be changed in favor of the other; just some albums are more "in vogue" sometime. Just my opinion.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:33 |
Yeah, it's all been said I guess, but the melding of the acoustic and the electronic and the incredible atmosphere evoked by that outro makes it a classic Genesis piece. Apart from the lyrics, which I personally think are awful... Sorry, not a shared view I'm sure.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:33 |
...oh and the bass synth is also amazing.
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:46 |
close your eyes, empty your mind, and listen to the last 2 minutes and you will know why
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 10:47 |
Aside from the previously mentioned keys duet, this is one of the most "Hackett" tracks Genesis ever recorded, if not the most.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 11:04 |
Oh yes the Hackett fingerprint is all over this one. The acoustic twinklings of his are essential to the track, and they really do shine during the duet. I love the small pauses he makes.
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Mormegil
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 12:49 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Oh yes the Hackett fingerprint is all over this one. The acoustic twinklings of his are essential to the track, and they really do shine during the duet. I love the small pauses he makes. |
This. And just the sheer beautiful ambiance of the piece. It takes me places.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 13:27 |
Someone mentioned the bass synth - indeed, mustn't forget Mike R's thunderous Taurus pedals.
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 13:55 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Mellotron and ARP outro....... WHAT A FRIGGIN' CRESCENDO.............. The blissful 'song' part is plain gorgeous. A Trick Of The Tail - one of the best Prog albums of all time !! |
Yup....This song has always been one of my favorite tracks by Genesis.
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Posted: June 10 2015 at 14:23 |
WrytXander wrote:
I love Entangled.
But can someone explain to me why everyone seems to worship it with such a passion?
I don't see how it's any more special than Ripples or Mad Mad Moon, so please somebody help me out
I'm not a hater or anything, it's just I don't see the way a lot of people seem to do, some preferring it over even Watcher of the Skies. What's the huge appeal that I'm missing? What secret formula, and what other songs employ this formula to make themselves more appealing? |
Mainly it's Hackett's guitar for me, but it's got everything Genesis in a relatively short time span, and has a character that results from the combination of brilliant writing skills from two who were to increasingly not to see eye to eye. A lot of what prog fans like converges on it in a way that it fails to converge on other TTOT tracks, nice as they are. It's soft madrigal Genesis and mystical big sound Genesis. I've often been mystified by the appeal of Watcher of the Skies that the OP made reference to. It's intro, though a big grandiose sound, never struck me as very sci-fi sounding. I would have been pleased if the intro to it were more otherworldly like the Entangled outtro. I like the lyric. Someone prior did not, and, to carry on the contrast, I would agree with anyone who might say that the Watcher of the Skies lyric is more digestible and poignant as read on paper. However, the lyrics in Watcher seem forced into the music. In Entangled the lyrics really seem to belong.
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