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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:20
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by sublime220 sublime220 wrote:

Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

If Jethro Tull can win the Grammy for best heavy metal album, then anything is possible.
 
In fairness to Tull, the actual Grammy category was Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, and the look on the faces of Metallica when they lost was well worth the win for whatever category it was.


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I don't agree, while it may have been hard rock/heavy metal and I like both Tull and Metallica, I still think Metallica should have won.
Hey, all opinions are accepted here. Even the ones that are wrong.LOL
 
In any case, the sad thing is that Tull won a Grammy for what could be considered as their 11th or 12th best album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:21
Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

But Camel is also a cigarette brand, so it also qualifies as death metal

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

A camel has hair...so would be categorized as Hair Metal......

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:47
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by sublime220 sublime220 wrote:

Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

If Jethro Tull can win the Grammy for best heavy metal album, then anything is possible.
 
In fairness to Tull, the actual Grammy category was Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, and the look on the faces of Metallica when they lost was well worth the win for whatever category it was.


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I don't agree, while it may have been hard rock/heavy metal and I like both Tull and Metallica, I still think Metallica should have won.
Hey, all opinions are accepted here. Even the ones that are wrong.LOL
 
In any case, the sad thing is that Tull won a Grammy for what could be considered as their 11th or 12th best album.

LOL

Also, if Metallica did win at least it was before Lars went money hungry. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 18:51
I hear a lot of Iron Maiden in a lot of early Camel albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 21:55
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

We have a local chain down here in Australia called JB Hifi, and although their prog pickings are few and far between, TWICE I've come across Renaissance under heavy metal!

Mind you, I've also found Magenta, Kaipa and Mostly Autumn there as well!

The `Metal' section is really just a dumping ground for prog artists that don't include the big bands like Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, etc, which are always under `Popular'

One good thing that comes from this - generally all these prog albums sit untouched for months in the metal section, Joe Average has no idea what the albums are, so eventually they're marked down to a fraction of their original price, and I'm more than happy to snap them up, either for my own collection, or to pass on as gifts to friends.


The bad thing is that if this albums don't sell because they are in the wrong section, it will be less likely that the store managers will pay attention to keep on getting such bands... or more likely, if they are already put on discount, then they should be paying attention so they won't stock them again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 23:12
My local independent store has has Anekdoten and Circulus in the metal section.

Camel is probably stranger though.

My favorite unusual categorization though is Merzbow in the rock/pop section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2015 at 23:55
My local store puts a lot of prog in the metal section.  I've found Pendragon, Pallas, Beardfish, Collage, others.

Of course the more mainstream metal bands are in the pop/rock section, so.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 00:50
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I hear a lot of Iron Maiden in a lot of early Camel albums.
 
Other way around, perhaps?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 01:00
Progressive Metal (and especially Symphonic Metal) and Symphonic Rock are on many things the nearest sub-genres of Prog, so it is not surprising that the shelves of the stores are mixed with Prog / Symph Metal and Symphonic Rock albums. I've seen that "phenomenon" even here in Belgrade at a local record store called "Pinball Wizard".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 01:02
In the store in front of my home, artists are just in alphabetical order. The only separate sections are for Classical and Jazz. But the owner was bassist in a Genesis cover band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 06:16
I can understand the mistake if the albums in question were obtained via InsideOut, or one of the other distributors out there whose bread and butter is metal but who have a fine sideline in prog, but it's daft otherwise. (Particularly if the packaging has "FILE UNDER PROGRESSIVE ROCK" on it and they shove it in metal anyway, as I've seen from time to time).

Then again, if there's a decent crossover between metal fans and prog fans, it may be that the prog albums actually sell better in the metal section than in the general rock section. There might actually be method to the madness!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 07:24
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

The `Metal' section is really just a dumping ground for prog artists that don't include the big bands like Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, etc, which are always under `Popular' 
Exactly the same here. I got Spock's Beard and Motorpsycho CD's recently from the Metal section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2015 at 07:39
I love Camel's version of "War Pigs" and can't get enough of Latimer's cookie monster vocals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 03:28
The "Cookie monster vocals" joke is a bit old now, don't you think?

Anyway, I can't add a lot to all that had been said: in the French record store Gibert Joseph in Paris, the metal section is close to the progressive section. Furthermore, in France, progressive rock is still covered either by small magazines which are on the verge of being called "prozines", or covered by metal magazines.

So, while the example given by the original poster is a bit farfetched (I would have supposed that the store owners would have put Camel in the pop/rock section just by looking at the years of release of each album), I'm not that surprised.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 11:16
Originally posted by twalsh twalsh wrote:

Ha ha.  So I'm not alone.  I forgot that I also saw Spock's Beard in there. This is an independent store though, so I can only assume the inclusion was intentional rather than ignorance, which I can see more likely in a megastore.  


I believe the first two Spock's Beard albums were originally on the Metal Blade label, so that probably lumped them into the metal category.

I also wonder if sometimes album cover art (dragons = metal Tongue) leads to wrong categorization. (Alternate US cover shown:)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 12:06
^That alternate cover looks awesome, I'm probably alone in thinking that though LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 18:23
I should probably clarify. This store is an independent Metal record store, as in not a mix of genres. All metal throughout the store with a few surprising exceptions that were not even pop metal or hard rock,.
More heavy prog, please!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 19:50
Yes.  camel can be a metal band:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:12
CAMEL? METAL? What's next? Magma is pop?
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