Why old prog - for me - is better than new prog |
Post Reply | Page <1 34567 20> |
Author | ||||||
Cristi
Special Collaborator Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 43629 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 10:45 | |||||
and here I thought it's a Nazareth song |
||||||
Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 10:33 | |||||
How about "My white bicycle", by Tomorrow ? ;-)
Edited by Davesax1965 - February 01 2015 at 10:34 |
||||||
|
||||||
Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 10:26 | |||||
Tomorow Never Knows is (great) Psychedelic rock without a doubt, but Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane the single is Progressive rock - probably the best English prog single ever made. |
||||||
Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 09:11 | |||||
Well, that's true enough. But I never heard the Beatles being as complicated as Tull, for one.
One of the problems Prog Rock has is that the definition is very loose. Bands like Van Der Graaf Generator are obviously prog. But the problem starts up when you listen to, say "Pictures of Matchstick Men" by Status Quo. Prog ? Nope, psychedelic pop. I would define pop as.... "popular mainstream music". This makes 90% of the Beatles output.... pop. The remaining 10% (if that) is more experimental stuff, but not as experimental as, say, Phallus Dei by Amon Duul II.
|
||||||
|
||||||
The Dark Elf
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13056 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 09:03 | |||||
I would suggest the definition of "pop" is relative to whomever is referencing the term. The Beatles, Yes, Tull and every other rock band during the 60s/70s was considered "pop" to a vast majority of listeners, no matter what genre was artificially grafted to their musical style.
|
||||||
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
||||||
Wakeman's Birotron
Forum Groupie Joined: January 18 2015 Location: Montreal Status: Offline Points: 78 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 08:56 | |||||
I sure hope you're a troll, sir. |
||||||
Cristi
Special Collaborator Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 43629 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 05:33 | |||||
nicely put, I could not have said it better myself, honestly I could not. at least with the Beatles, the proto-prog label makes sense, they experimented quite a bit starting 1966, calling them psychedelic pop (even rock) it's alright. |
||||||
Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 04:31 | |||||
Hi Svetonio, I've been listening to it for, er, some time now. ;-)
About 1971, I think. Anyway, music is subjective, but for me, 90% of what the Beatles did was pop music. Penny Lane would fall into the category of pop. Tomorrow Never Knows is one of the few tracks which could have a "prog" label attached, but is basically "psychedelic pop", as is Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. But. Despite the ambitious chord progression, I still think Penny Lane is pop. Edited by Davesax1965 - February 01 2015 at 04:45 |
||||||
|
||||||
Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 03:30 | |||||
Greetings Davesax1965! please close your eyes now or look out the window just to relax, forget for a moment all that new prog revolution and these legendary bands at Bandcamp, and listen again to THE single, but each ton please, and, that would be very important actually, in its ENTIRETY......
|
||||||
Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 03:01 | |||||
Pop, outer limits of technical competence for pop, though.
Actually, why split hairs about it ? What's in a name ? |
||||||
|
||||||
dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2494 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 02:57 | |||||
It has to be prog. Pop is straight forward music which everyone else is playing because it's the trend. Penny Lane is a melody made from classical/jazz influences. It's every bit as prog as A venture on The Yes album which I also love Edited by dr prog - February 01 2015 at 02:57 |
||||||
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
|
||||||
Davesax1965
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 02:57 | |||||
I have nothing to say here but couldn't resist the opportunity to have about 17 nested quotes all stacked up in one post.
|
||||||
|
||||||
Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 02:12 | |||||
Of course, doc. After 40 years of listening to prog, I certainly can not have the same views on what is and what is not prog as someone who, for example, was born in the eighties, in nineties listened to bullsh*t techno music and (if) adding a bit of TDSotM, then accidentally bumped into this site in '00s, and finnaly due to, say, "political correctness" toward influential collabs, has become also a collaborator i.e. "Prog God"
|
||||||
Svetonio
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:52 | |||||
Edited by Svetonio - February 01 2015 at 01:53 |
||||||
Cristi
Special Collaborator Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 43629 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:38 | |||||
I know you're kidding but why do you assume that listening to metal excludes listening to The Beatles? I listen to both. In fact, even when I was 25, I listened to both, too. As for Penny Lane being prog, I disagree, it's pretty poppy to me, great song, but not prog. |
||||||
Prog Snob
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 12 2012 Location: Staten Island Status: Offline Points: 225 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:26 | |||||
I didn't get into prog until Dream Theater released Images and Words. It was a breath of fresh air compared to what I was used to hearing. Over twenty years later I find it hard to find newer bands that can bring to me that same emotion I felt in 1992. Once in a while I'll listen to a release and be blown away by it but it's not as often as I'd like.
Nowadays I have found myself looking back in time at some of the older prog bands and discovering the great bands that came out in the late 60s and 70s. Bands like Camel, Gentle Giant, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Saga, Moody Blues, and so on, have been my go-to lately. I've become a huge Marillion fan in the past months. |
||||||
dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2494 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:23 | |||||
Post 84 American poluted Rock music
|
||||||
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
|
||||||
LearsFool
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8642 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:20 | |||||
Edited by Lear'sFool - February 01 2015 at 01:21 |
||||||
dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2494 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 01:04 | |||||
Penny lane is definately prog imo. My fave Beatles song too. Half the pa members are probably under 25 and like metal. What would they know Edited by dr prog - February 01 2015 at 01:07 |
||||||
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
|
||||||
rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: February 01 2015 at 00:46 | |||||
You have it backwards, I am afraid. It's pop at it best with elements of prog. You are just twisting reality to suit your (evidently prejudiced) conclusions. Try telling the world outside PA that Penny Lane is 100% prog. And come back and tell us what they thought about, er, your opinion.
|
||||||
Post Reply | Page <1 34567 20> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |