Prog Semi Final #2 - Genesis v.. King Crimson

Argonaught wrote: Moogtron III wrote: Come on, you semi-retired Genesis.  One short sprint is not impossible, or?  We will just have to wait until all Moogtrons from IV through MMXV have had a chance to vote.

Roland113 wrote: Roland114 wrote: Genesis for me thank you

micky wrote: my PROGnostication was Floyd over Yes and the winner of this match over Floyd in the final.

Floyd, sadly, looks like the favourite to me. You clearly haven't taken into account the, to my bewilderment as to why, deep admiration people on this site have for this psych-rock troupe turned pop-rock stars. I mean, c'mon, people, they're not even prog!  I can't imagine the Genesis bobbleheads of yore being much worse than the Floyd fanboys of today's PA.

The Bearded Bard wrote: Going with KC here. I just find them a bit more exciting. Love Genesis almost as much though. micky wrote: my PROGnostication was Floyd over Yes and the winner of this match over Floyd in the final. Floyd, sadly, looks like the favourite to me. You clearly haven't taken into account the, to my bewilderment as to why, deep admiration people on this site have for this psych-rock troupe turned pop-rock stars. I mean, c'mon, people, they're not even prog!  I can't imagine the Genesis bobbleheads of yore being much worse than the Floyd fanboys of today's PA.

yeah.. Micky the Geek for once actually called these pretty good.  Floyd by double digits, respectable but not close, and K.C by a hair over Genesis.

that said... in reality Floyd really manhandled Yes.. roughly. That did surprise me.  In light of that.  I'd take back the earlier prediction and say Floyd beats K.C. Vegas is installing them as a 10.5 vote favorite tomorrow morning.

which brings me to something I debated when putting this together,  something I'd definitely do different.

Miles Davis came up when putting together the artist list for this. I 86'd that for not really being a prog rock artist per se.  While his dablings in it are legendary and fundemental, he transcended the genre and really didn't fit.

I had thoughts about Floyd being generally in the same class. Though obviously I did include them.  No, they are not a prog band. That is the key to their greatness, they didn't allow themselves or their music didn't, allow it to be pigeonholed as such.  They sort of transcended prog rock, perhaps why they have remained popular even when others have fallen off the public radar and hearts. 

If I had this to do over again... I'd have left them out. 


Edited by micky - January 17 2015 at 17:31

I figured you were tongue in cheek.. still... it played into what I was thinking I suppose. I do like to second guess myself.

I suppose I knew the right answer with Floyd and it was to include them, now with Miles?  Would have been curious to see how everyone would have dealt with him.  Next time we'll definitely include him.

Well he definitely gets into the album contest for sure haha

Friday13th wrote: Floyd v. Crimson will be epic

micky wrote: I had thoughts about Floyd being generally in the same class. Though obviously I did include them.  No, they are not a prog band. That is the key to their greatness, they didn't allow themselves or their music didn't, allow it to be pigeonholed as such.  They sort of transcended prog rock, perhaps why they have remained popular even when others have fallen off the public radar and hearts.  If I had this to do over again... I'd have left them out.

I disagree with you there Micky, Floyd are very definitely a prog band but because they took it down a different route (sticking closer to their psyche roots than others) and more importantly because they avoided many of the trappings of prog (capes!) that they've been able to maintain a level of popularity outside of prog spheres (though they're not the only one, just the most overt example).

As for Miles Davis, he's on here because of a short period of albums from the late 60's through early 70's that almost completely launched the Jazz Rock/Fusion genre on his own. But he's a man that was recording from the 40's through to his death in the 90's, that's a huge body of work with only a small portion of it relevant to this site. Even if you'd said to vote only for that small portion, someone would have come in and said "Kind of Blue tips the balance".

I have to say, I'm very suprised we're not having a Yes vs Genesis finale, it wasn't that long ago that it would have been a complete impossibility for that not to happen.

sleeper wrote: micky wrote: I had thoughts about Floyd being generally in the same class. Though obviously I did include them.  No, they are not a prog band. That is the key to their greatness, they didn't allow themselves or their music didn't, allow it to be pigeonholed as such.  They sort of transcended prog rock, perhaps why they have remained popular even when others have fallen off the public radar and hearts.  If I had this to do over again... I'd have left them out.  I disagree with you there Micky, Floyd are very definitely a prog band but because they took it down a different route (sticking closer to their psyche roots than others) and more importantly because they avoided many of the trappings of prog (capes!) that they've been able to maintain a level of popularity outside of prog spheres (though they're not the only one, just the most overt example). As for Miles Davis, he's on here because of a short period of albums from the late 60's through early 70's that almost completely launched the Jazz Rock/Fusion genre on his own. But he's a man that was recording from the 40's through to his death in the 90's, that's a huge body of work with only a small portion of it relevant to this site. Even if you'd said to vote only for that small portion, someone would have come in and said "Kind of Blue tips the balance". I have to say, I'm very suprised we're not having a Yes vs Genesis finale, it wasn't that long ago that it would have been a complete impossibility for that not to happen.

yeah...  perhaps that was the other reason I didn't drop them haha.  I 'knew' my view of them was in the distinct minority .

Yeah.. at the start I would have thought Yes v. Genesis but a funny thing happened on the way to the forum..

Yes simply didn't look impressive in early rounds, not like the other 3 who destroyed lesser bands AND classic bands on the way to the final 4.  Perhaps it was your comments that was the catalyst and touched some sort of current forum zeitgeist but I didn't see Yes getting through Floyd.

Genesis?  I figured it would have been close regardless.. but did figure the few.. the proud .. the tasteful.. the Anti-Genesis terror squad would provide enough 'anti' votes to swing it King Crimson's way.

I'll be surprised.. shocked in fact.. if King Crimson doesn't get rolled by double digits in the final.

and closed.

King Crimson is next to face... The Machine...

micky wrote: and closed. King Crimson is next to face... The Machine...

We did it!  Hearty handshakes and cigars all around.