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Topic: Prog Semi Final #2 - Genesis v.. King CrimsonPosted By: micky
Subject: Prog Semi Final #2 - Genesis v.. King Crimson
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 08:18
Congratulation to the winners of the Lima and Rome regions.
The winner moves on to the Battle of the Bands Final hosted by Viagra
AND Rogaine and televised world-wide on M@XTV
From the Lima Region we have...
genesis
From the Rome Region we have...
King Crimson!!!
Vegas has King Crimson as a slight 5.5 vote favorite. Can Genesis win this? Of course they can but will they? We shall see!
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Replies: Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 08:25
Crimson, all day, every day, not even close.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 08:57
alrighty... lets get an objective voice on this!! I am a fan of neither.
SEBTP > Red ITCOTCK > Foxtrot Discipline > Nursery Cryme LTIA > TLLDOB Lizard > anything else Genesis did
4-1 King Crimson
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:03
Love love LOVE these bands!!!
I could converse back and forth until the next new year and still not be any closer to an actual vote, so I went for the scientific eenie meenie miny moe method.....and subsequently landed on Genesis
Doesn't matter though. Floyd will win this in the final round (like I foresaw in a true Nostradamus moment earlier on).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:04
my PROGnostication was Floyd over Yes
and the winner of this match over Floyd in the final.
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:10
Ms. Casey Fripp-Bruford
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:13
Crimson. Finally checked all their albums and not even one I thought was flat out bad. Genesis is probs my 3rd favorite but don't think they can really compete. Even Supper's Ready can't beat Starless in my book so the Crimson King it is!
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:21
Genesis is very good, but I prefer KC. I agree with Micky about Lizard
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:22
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Crimson, all day, every day, not even close.
This.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:29
Every sappy post-prog symph band references Genesis. Reason enough to vote for King Crimson.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 09:31
Easy...Genesis....No contest for me.
Bands like Kansas or Anglagard would had made it more difficult, but I simply can't stand post ITCOTCK King Crimson.
Another case of complexity for the sake of complexity
Iván
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Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:02
Genesis - my favourite band of all time for almost 40 years
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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:04
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Crimson, all day, every day, not even close.
What he said...
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:07
Raff wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Crimson, all day, every day, not even close.
This.
This this.
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:15
Genesis fo me
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:27
King Crimson.
I was kinda hoping Dream Theater could have met Death in the finals, but this will have to do.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:40
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
King Crimson.
I was kinda hoping Dream Theater could have met Death in the finals, but this will have to do.
Went with Genesis in the end, I just love the run of Trespass to Lamb... too much.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:46
Cutting to the chase......Crimson...Genesis......then Floyd.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 10:51
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
King Crimson.
I was kinda hoping Dream Theater could have met Death in the finals, but this will have to do.
I was hoping for Genesis v. Death myself
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 11:31
Genesis
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 11:58
Genesis.
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 12:11
Frippertronics.
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 12:12
ahhhh, two really great bands, but King Crimson may have gotten my vote from Genesis. sry to the latter!
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 12:13
KCrimson
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 13:26
Hard to describe but for me the weirdness of King Crimson is hard to get, it took me 10-15 years to begin to enjoy King Crimson. Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on. They wrote albums that are simply brilliant. KC I think just tried too hard to be eclectic, different and too much experimental stuff. I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
Again, my problem with KC is what band are you voting for??? KC of the 70-80-90s?? They had their moments but the album catalog does not meld well together.
With Genesis we all split them up as either PG era or post-PG...or prog Genesis or pop Genesis, that is easier to define within their catalog and regardless of which you like the band jumped in with both feet, they knew what they wanted to do and made brilliant albums in each era.
Those early albums by Genesis are timeless and the stories, lyrics and the music are genius. The pop-era has simply some great tunes and albums, that is when they began to make money, which I have zero issues with, we all need to make money and a band should too. The public responded and bought the krapp out of their albums in the 80-90s, and that exposed new people to the origins of Genesis.
There will never be another Selling England By the Pound...never.
Genesis for me.
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Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 13:29
I like more songs from KC than Genesis.So it's King Crimson for me.
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 13:46
KC vs Floyd! Bring it on!
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 13:48
KC by a hair.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:11
Genesis +1
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:43
Well, KC made some mind blowing albums with ITCOTCK and Red, and I quite like In The Wake Of Poseidon, Lizard and Larks' Tongues in Aspic too, and some songs on Thrak, but they are still no match against Genesis...
Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, And Then There Were Three and Duke are all brilliant, and A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering are quite good too. There are even some enjoyable tracks on the other studio albums, and then I didn't even mention the first three live albums, which are all sensational in their very own way. What a legacy!
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:44
Moogtron III wrote:
Well, KC made some mind blowing albums with ITCOTCK and Red, and I quite like In The Wake Of Poseidon, Lizard and Larks' Tongues in Aspic too, and some songs on Thrak, but they are still no match against Genesis...
Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, And Then There Were Three and Duke are all brilliant, and A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering are quite good too. There are even some enjoyable tracks on the other studio albums, and then I didn't even mention the first three live albums, which are all sensational in their very own way. What a legacy!
Ohh...forgot about the live albums....good point.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:46
Catcher10 wrote:
I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:59
King Crimson, very easily.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:02
Sagichim wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
I have to say I find it funny how being "experimental" is considered to
be a bad thing by fans of a genre called PROGRESSIVE rock. This somewhat lends credibility to my theory that what a lot of prog fans actually want is a bunch of glorified pop songs rather than anything genuinely forward-thinking.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:03
hahah
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:06
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:07
Meltdowner wrote:
I agree with Micky about Lizard
And they do exist, and stare at humans with their non-blinking eyes
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:11
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:12
Raff wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
I have to say I find it funny how being "experimental" is considered to
be a bad thing by fans of a genre called PROGRESSIVE rock. This somewhat lends credibility to my theory that what a lot of prog fans actually want is a bunch of glorified pop songs rather than anything genuinely forward-thinking.
Then they get on to those bands in their pop era for not being glorified enough.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:15
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
Sorry I will speak in standard music notation from now on.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:15
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
Sorry I will speak in standard music notation from now on.
just keep it in 4/4 for Floyd fans
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:21
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
Sorry I will speak in standard music notation from now on.
just keep it in 4/4 for Floyd fans
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:37
Is it finally time to get rid of genesis?
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:44
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
Sorry I will speak in standard music notation from now on.
just keep it in 4/4 for Floyd fans
One should always keep it simple for the plebs.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:53
KC is for me
ITCOTCK - 5 star and one of the best albums ever made
then stuff
Red - 5 stars and one of the best albums ever made
then a lot more stuff
The Power To Believe - 5 stars and one of the best albums ever made
END (well until the next album)
I voted Genesis
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:02
Sagichim wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
I can see that....I did not express my feeling well. Sure I want a band to always experiment...I suppose best to leave it as too difficult to write how I feel about KC, who I do like BTW.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:04
Raff wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I mean you can do the experimental stuff early on then figure out what you wanna do, but to keep experimenting gets boring after awhile.
I have to say I find it funny how being "experimental" is considered to
be a bad thing by fans of a genre called PROGRESSIVE rock. This somewhat lends credibility to my theory that what a lot of prog fans actually want is a bunch of glorified pop songs rather than anything genuinely forward-thinking.
Hmm.....I will leave this one alone, I would never jump to any conclusion of any long time PA member thinking they only want glorified pop songs.
Again, my feeling did not read right, so I will leave it at that.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:13
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Crimson, all day, every day, not even close.
Exactly the opposite for me.
I love everything about Genesis (at least up to and including Wind & Wuthering). Whilst I respect KC for their skill and innovation, their music is largely unenjoyable for me. I always feel they did things because they were difficult and novel, not because they sounded good.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:29
Crimso for me. Both took directions in the 80's that I didn't like but Crimso never embarrassed themselves like Genesis and always tried to stretch the bounds of prog
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:44
KC
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:45
I've always been more a fan of the eclectic genre, and KC is no exception.
But I can say that Genesis is extremely good as well; I like both eras equally. Maybe Gabriel a hair more but alas, they are both fantastic.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:52
Very tough... Because of the Trespass to TLLDOB years, I vote Genesis.
In any case, Pink Floyd gets the praise.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 17:35
manofmystery wrote:
Is it finally time to get rid of genesis?
Yes<---let's get rid of them too.
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 18:36
Even though I have a ton of respect for Peter Gabriel, King Crimson always wins in my book. Even over PF or Yes.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 18:43
Ha, Yes getting routed by PF while this one is still (somewhat) close. How could I underestimate the power of Genesis!
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 19:36
Exit rehashed Genesis vs. Yes polls. Enter future-rehashed King Crimson vs. Pink Floyd polls.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 20:09
Genesis for me. I fully understand the Crimson votes, though.
Not so interested in the other semi-final. Crimson will get my vote in the next round for sure.
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 20:35
No contest for me, Genesis was my first prog love and remains one of my all time favorite bands.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 22:07
rogerthat wrote:
Ha, Yes getting routed by PF while this one is still (somewhat) close. How could I underestimate the power of Genesis!
I'm almost as surprised at this one as the other.
I expected this to be closer.. this isn't far from being the laugher Floyd-Yes had turned out to be so far.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 11 2015 at 23:28
Genesis wins the 70s battle over Crimson by a long way
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 00:10
I admire both but one I enjoy listening to more than the other and that is Genesis.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 05:24
whoa!!!
the Europeans speak.
Game on!!! Making me look good. I set the Vegas odds at -5.5
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 05:30
Wow, Genesis is catching up to KC .. this is getting (somewhat) exciting
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 05:36
be careful about using exciting and Genesis in the same sentence..
they can revoke your Proggie-card for offenses like that man.
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 06:51
^ so, I won't be allowed to pay prog tax any more ?
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 07:36
Catcher10 wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Well, KC made some mind blowing albums with ITCOTCK and Red, and I quite like In The Wake Of Poseidon, Lizard and Larks' Tongues in Aspic too, and some songs on Thrak, but they are still no match against Genesis...
Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, And Then There Were Three and Duke are all brilliant, and A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering are quite good too. There are even some enjoyable tracks on the other studio albums, and then I didn't even mention the first three live albums, which are all sensational in their very own way. What a legacy!
Ohh...forgot about the live albums....good point.
Yes, Genesis is one of those bands where the live albums can really add something to the studio albums.
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 07:38
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
micky wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Genesis hit me like a hurricane from day one, you can identify the genius in those 5 very early on.
What's with the second person perspective?
what's with this making me google sh*t. Stuff I learned in school years ago and had the pleasure of forgetting...
this is a music forum damnit
Sorry I will speak in standard music notation from now on.
just keep it in 4/4 for Floyd fans
One should always keep it simple for the plebs.
They did Money in 7/4 !
Well, at least, a part of it...
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 08:19
^... and Round and Round is in 5/4.
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Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 08:21
Yes, Genesis, KC and PF all are the superposition of quantum prog-wave function. Today I've listened to one of it and this way reduced to Genesis, but tomorrow ... who knows?
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 10:45
King Crimson
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 10:50
King Crimson. Both are fantastic 1969-1974 though.
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 11:15
^King Crimson are also fantastic 1981-1984 & 1994-2003
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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 12:04
Oh well. I love KC so this decision is the tough one but inevitably it must be Genesis.
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Posted By: Chimaera
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 12:08
My Dad was a friend of Robert Fripp when they were at school together, so he will probably kill me if he finds I voted for Genesis.
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 12:25
Genesis closing the gap
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 13:01
micky wrote:
be careful about using exciting and Genesis in the same sentence..
they can revoke your Proggie-card for offenses like that man.
Micky...Genesis is exciting for many of us.
I can't find the emotion of a castrato singing about mountains falling frtom skies,
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 13:29
It's pretty close for me..
I've been a Genesis fan boy for decades, but came to KC a little later. Genesis have made albums far superior to most KC albums, but they have also made some utter drek in their later years. KC continued to deliver the goods in all of their manifestations, with Konstruction of light being their only relatively weak offering.
Genesis move me more, but KC surprise and impress me more. Sorry I genuinely can't choose...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:01
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
be careful about using exciting and Genesis in the same sentence..
they can revoke your Proggie-card for offenses like that man.
Micky...Genesis is exciting for many of us.
I can't find the emotion of a castrato singing about mountains falling frtom skies,
that is why this is music man..it is the music that stirs one.. who gives a fart about the lyrics.. it is music.. not a damned freshman literature101 class haha.
I'll give Yes one thing... at least they were smart enough to make the lyrics ambiguous. Let the listener make nothing or everything of them and make what OF them they wish. Anderson was more an instrument.. or more to the point.. those 3 way harmonies were more musical in nature than mere delivers of standard prog rock lyrical bullsh*t fantasies or pseudo-intellectualism. These guys were muso's.. one step above knuckle draggers like me.. if I want to be educated. I read a book. Written by educated people man.
seriously man... if we wanted good emtional lyrics.. and far FAR better done.. we'd have stuck to pop music. Prog is ALL about the music.. and for me... Genesis lacks the most important qualities. Namely Dynamism and being able to invoke a substantial range of emotions.
to each his own though.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:12
micky wrote:
that is why this is music man..it is the music that stirs one.. who gives a fart about the lyrics.. it is music.. not a damned freshman literature101 class haha.
I'll give Yes one thing... at least they were smart enough to make the lyrics ambiguous. Let the listener make nothing or everything of them and make what OF them they wish. Anderson was more an instrument.. or more to the point.. those 3 way harmonies were more musical in nature than mere delivers of standard prog rock lyrical bullsh*t fantasies or pseudo-intellectualism. These guys were muso's.. one step above knuckle draggers like me.. if I want to be educated. I read a book. Written by educated people man.
seriously man... if we wanted good emtional lyrics.. and far FAR better done.. we'd have stuck to pop music. Prog is ALL about the music.. and for me... Genesis lacks the most important qualities. Namely Dynamism and being able to invoke a substantial range of emotions.
to each his own though.
I care about lyrics.
For me the INTELLIGENT lyrics are a main difference in Prog.
POP is mainly based in emotional love, Prog Lyrics are far more diverse and Genesis as well as Marillion and VDGG gave great importance to lyrics.
PFM, concentrates in making great lyrics with poetical content, that's why when butchered by Sinfield, they lost the magic.
Prog is about music and lyrics making a great combination.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:36
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
that is why this is music man..it is the music that stirs one.. who gives a fart about the lyrics.. it is music.. not a damned freshman literature101 class haha.
I'll give Yes one thing... at least they were smart enough to make the lyrics ambiguous. Let the listener make nothing or everything of them and make what OF them they wish. Anderson was more an instrument.. or more to the point.. those 3 way harmonies were more musical in nature than mere delivers of standard prog rock lyrical bullsh*t fantasies or pseudo-intellectualism. These guys were muso's.. one step above knuckle draggers like me.. if I want to be educated. I read a book. Written by educated people man.
seriously man... if we wanted good emtional lyrics.. and far FAR better done.. we'd have stuck to pop music. Prog is ALL about the music.. and for me... Genesis lacks the most important qualities. Namely Dynamism and being able to invoke a substantial range of emotions.
to each his own though.
I care about lyrics.
Thankfully I don't.. as much of what I enjoy... I don't understand a goddamned word of it. Again.. it is all about the music.. and that includes the vocalist. I put much more stock in the quality of the voice than the sh*t pouring from it. Take as a prime example Pholas Dacylus. Would we enjoy that album half as much.. well.. AT ALL.. if we knew just how horrifically bad the actual lyrics were. Unfortujnately IMO.. the times were it is good and thoughtful.. are more the exceptions than the rule. Prog has many sterotypes.. some bullsh*t.. but some valid. The silly nature of the lyrics is one I feel is a completely valid criticism of the genre. Neal Peart gets all the hate.. but while perhaps the worst offender.. he wasn't the only one whose attempt to be intelligent.. wasn't matched by what he had between the ears. Great musician.. a brain surgeon.. NOT!!
For me the INTELLIGENT lyrics are a main difference in Prog.
NO NO NO ... intelligently crafted, emtionally stimulating dynamic MUSIC is what separates prog from.. ahem.. lesser forms of music as people might say.
POP is mainly based in emotional love, Prog Lyrics are far more diverse and Genesis as well as Marillion and VDGG gave great importance to lyrics. oh no.. love is the most popular. And rightfully so.. what we be as people Ivan without love. It is the common denominator we share as a species if one doesn't go cynical and say it is our genetic disposition to inflict pain and suffering on those diffferent from us. What pop does is relate to us in our everyday lives.. love obviously is an important one.. but the stresses of working and living.. loss.. joy.. all of them are WELL represented in pop music. Without musical vaidity.. it is what pop music does.. and was meant to do. Speak to people on terms they can related to.
PFM, concentrates in making great lyrics with poetical content, that's why when butchered by Sinfield, they lost the magic. yet again for the vast majority of us.. the lyrics mean NOTHING. (God damnit I cuss and kick myself for no learning the language yet, I've been married to Raff for 6 years, been with her since 8 and still have only exchanged a few words with her family).
Prog is about music and lyrics making a great combination.
to each his own my friend
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:39
I prefer instrumental prog or prog in languages I don't understand. I get zero connection with 90% of lyrics and usually they are just cheese, with a side of cheese and an extra portion of cheese.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:48
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
that is why this is music man..it is the music that stirs one.. who gives a fart about the lyrics.. it is music.. not a damned freshman literature101 class haha.
I'll give Yes one thing... at least they were smart enough to make the lyrics ambiguous. Let the listener make nothing or everything of them and make what OF them they wish. Anderson was more an instrument.. or more to the point.. those 3 way harmonies were more musical in nature than mere delivers of standard prog rock lyrical bullsh*t fantasies or pseudo-intellectualism. These guys were muso's.. one step above knuckle draggers like me.. if I want to be educated. I read a book. Written by educated people man.
seriously man... if we wanted good emtional lyrics.. and far FAR better done.. we'd have stuck to pop music. Prog is ALL about the music.. and for me... Genesis lacks the most important qualities. Namely Dynamism and being able to invoke a substantial range of emotions.
to each his own though.
I care about lyrics.
For me the INTELLIGENT lyrics are a main difference in Prog.
POP is mainly based in emotional love, Prog Lyrics are far more diverse and Genesis as well as Marillion and VDGG gave great importance to lyrics.
PFM, concentrates in making great lyrics with poetical content, that's why when butchered by Sinfield, they lost the magic.
Prog is about music and lyrics making a great combination.
Well said. Even if my favourite band is largely known for instrumentals, I do like good lyrics.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 15:56
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I prefer instrumental prog or prog in languages I don't understand. I get zero connection with 90% of lyrics and usually they are just cheese, with a side of cheese and an extra portion of cheese.
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 17:02
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I prefer instrumental prog or prog in languages I don't understand. I get zero connection with 90% of lyrics and usually they are just cheese, with a side of cheese and an extra portion of cheese.
I second that most enthusiastically :)
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:19
Micky wrote:
Thankfully I don't.. as much of what I enjoy... I don't understand a goddamned word of it. Again.. it is all about the music.. and that includes the vocalist. I put much more stock in the quality of the voice than the sh*t pouring from it. Take as a prime example Pholas Dacylus. Would we enjoy that album half as much.. well.. AT ALL.. if we knew just how horrifically bad the actual lyrics were. Unfortujnately IMO.. the times were it is good and thoughtful.. are more the exceptions than the rule. Prog has many sterotypes.. some bullsh*t.. but some valid. The silly nature of the lyrics is one I feel is a completely valid criticism of the genre. Neal Peart gets all the hate.. but while perhaps the worst offender.. he wasn't the only one whose attempt to be intelligent.. wasn't matched by what he had between the ears. Great musician.. a brain surgeon.. NOT!!
It's all about the music FOR YOU
For me, the lyrics are part of the music, the problem Micky is that you assime that you are right and everybody else is wrong.
The lyrics don't need exclusively to sound great phonetically, for me, the lyrics have to tell me something that deserve to be listened, I can't stand Pholas Dacylus because of their crappy lyrics and the recited thing.
If lyrics wouldn't be important for the Prog listeners,n lyricists wouldn't have a job.
Micky wrote:
NO NO NO ... intelligently crafted, emtionally stimulating dynamic MUSIC is what separates prog from.. ahem.. lesser forms of music as people might say.
I won't say lesser forms odf music, I would say OTHER forms of music.
Lyrics are part of music, they must not onlńy sound well, but also say something.
Micky wrote:
oh no.. love is the most popular. And rightfully so.. what we be as people Ivan without love. It is the common denominator we share as a species if one doesn't go cynical and say it is our genetic disposition to inflict pain and suffering on those diffferent from us. What pop does is relate to us in our everyday lives.. love obviously is an important one.. but the stresses of working and living.. loss.. joy.. all of them are WELL represented in pop music. Without musical vaidity.. it is what pop music does.. and was meant to do. Speak to people on terms they can related to.
I don´'t say love is not important, but it isn't the only tghing in we must concentrate, I'm tired of lyrics directed to teen agers screaming baby 50 times pe4r songs.
I love lyrics that transmit something, it may be love, hate, pleasure, pain, or even claustrophobia as In the Cage
For me, this is brilliant, the organ hammering the accurate drumming, make the listener feel as trapped in the cage, every single element is important.
Micky wrote:
Yet again for the vast majority of us.. the lyrics mean NOTHING. (God damnit I cuss and kick myself for no learning the language yet, I've been married to Raff for 6 years, been with her since 8 and still have only exchanged a few words with her family).
Saying "us", doesn't mean it is true, you speak for you Micky (As I speak for myself), not for the majority of Prog listeners, unless you have statistics to support it.
Well, that happens with my GF's family, I don't even talk to much with her twin sister because she lives in the States.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:21
Argonaught wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I prefer instrumental prog or prog in languages I don't understand. I get zero connection with 90% of lyrics and usually they are just cheese, with a side of cheese and an extra portion of cheese.
I second that most enthusiastically :)
yeah I would too but I noticed something earlier when listening to Mirage... Lady Fantasy in particular.
While no one would ever accuse Latimer of being a good vocalist.. I caught myself singing along.. but you know what. I don't think I know a single damn word of the lyrics. If you put a gun to my head.. I couldn't post more than a few words
I think that listen earlier this evening crystalized what it is for me... is these estoteric bullsh*t and meaning 'profound and intellectual' lyriics themselves are secondary.. or simply a 2nd set of tits on a perfect listening experience.. it really is the melody they carry that I think enjoy. Another reason why I have zero problem with Yes's unique take on lyrics and of course having non-English prog as my prefered prog of listening choice. I enjoy a great vocal melody or simply a great voice which can convey emotion a 1000's more effectively than the lyrics themselves.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:25
I still feel KC is more interesting, but after reading these pro-Genesis people, I can understand why many people think they're better.
I feel like playing my trump card.
This is probably my favorite by them.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:27
oh yeah Ivan.. I am stretching it there dude. I just enjoying rattling your cage and getting you to respond to me so we have some old time back and forth action. I missed many things here.. none more than you. I used to have dreams about drowning in seas of blue font.. that is when I decided I needed a break from the site.
I know its me.. but would a forum be without tossing our dirty unwashed thoughts on the wall to see if they stick. And perhaps inspiring others to do the same.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:31
micky wrote:
I know its me.. but would a forum be without tossing our dirty unwashed thoughts on the wall to see if they stick. And perhaps inspiring others to do the same.
To ProgArchives.com, a place where we can toss our dirty unwashed thoughts on the walls.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:36
aglasshouse wrote:
micky wrote:
I know its me.. but would a forum be without tossing our dirty unwashed thoughts on the wall to see if they stick. And perhaps inspiring others to do the same.
To ProgArchives.com, a place where we can toss our dirty unwashed thoughts on the walls.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:08
micky wrote:
aglasshouse wrote:
micky wrote:
I know its me.. but would a forum be without tossing our dirty unwashed thoughts on the wall to see if they stick. And perhaps inspiring others to do the same.
To ProgArchives.com, a place where we can toss our dirty unwashed thoughts on the walls.
Ugh, I'm not cleaning up again.
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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:12
Music ain't a contest, but I'd take Crimson's worst album (Beat?) over Genesis' best.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:18
To add to micky and Ivan's lyrics argument: Lyrics matter to me too but, more importantly, if they are sung in Peter Gabriel's voice they lose their effect and simply become nails across a chalk board.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:45
progrockdeepcuts wrote:
Music ain't a contest, but I'd take Crimson's worst album (Beat?) over Genesis' best.