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Padraic 
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 Posted: January 15 2015 at 10:47 |
 Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 10:57 |
Argonaught wrote:
Yes, even recognized by Rolling Stone magazine  . By the way, I do not hate Genesis - but I have no respect for much of their post 1970s discography, which is reflected in my vote. For the same reason, I voted for PF and against Yes in another poll.
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No Gabriel, Hackett and/or Phillips.....No Genesis.
They should had changed the name to The Phil Collins Band, any person who didn't started with ABACAB knows that Genesis is really two bands....One Prog and adventurous, the other popular and IMHO mediocre.
I don't care what Genesis did in the 80's and 90's, that's another band. But the merit of their first 10 albums (I include the melodical FGTTR), is not affected for what Collins and his pals did.
I remember when people said that Genesis was in R&R Hall of fame because Collins...Well, the only member of Genesis with a solo place in the Hall is Peter Gabriel, despíte all the loud voices of the Pop Genesis fans.....And heard rumors of Steve Hackett being inducted very soon.
Iván
PS: Rolling Stones also recognized Pink Floyd...That doesn't make them less.
The magazine normally is crap, but sometimes they hit the nail in the head
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 15 2015 at 10:59
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Hemis
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 11:12 |
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote?
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Imperial Zeppelin
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 11:17 |
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
You should make at least 40 posts before or something like that.
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"Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl."
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 13:10 |
Imperial Zeppelin wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
You should make at least 40 posts before or something like that. |
OR sometimes, site Admin just decide to pick on a noob and confuse the hell out of them ...they're like that..that's the way it is... (RAP reference)
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 13:13 |
Where have all these voters come from? Hiding under a bush? Up until now the rounds have only had about 80/90 votes in total?  conspiracy theories welcome - please reply below : 
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Roxbrough
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 13:16 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Argonaught wrote:
Yes, even recognized by Rolling Stone magazine . By the way, I do not hate Genesis - but I have no respect for much of their post 1970s discography, which is reflected in my vote. For the same reason, I voted for PF and against Yes in another poll.
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No Gabriel, Hackett and/or Phillips.....No Genesis.
They should had changed the name to The Phil Collins Band, any person who didn't started with ABACAB knows that Genesis is really two bands....One Prog and adventurous, the other popular and IMHO mediocre.
I don't care what Genesis did in the 80's and 90's, that's another band. But the merit of their first 10 albums (I include the melodical FGTTR), is not affected for what Collins and his pals did.
I remember when people said that Genesis was in R&R Hall of fame because Collins...Well, the only member of Genesis with a solo place in the Hall is Peter Gabriel, despíte all the loud voices of the Pop Genesis fans.....And heard rumors of Steve Hackett being inducted very soon.
Iván
PS: Rolling Stones also recognized Pink Floyd...That doesn't make them less.
The magazine normally is crap, but sometimes they hit the nail in the head
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Your comments regarding Genesis seem frightfully accurate to me. The thing about King Crimson is they never had very good tunes did they? On the magazine front, try PROG magazine, it's excellent.
(Personal opinion)
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Live Long and Prosper
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Hercules
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 16:34 |
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
Go on every single forum thread you can find and make a post.
When you've done a total of 40 posts, you will gain the right to vote.
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 16:53 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
Not much of a fighter but I'd gladly take on whomever will be representing Genesis.... hopefully Peter Gabriel.
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sorry dude.. you'd be up against Ivan... and I wouldn't put a dime on you  or anyone but myself against Ivan and I have no dog in this one. I like King Crimson about as much as Genesis... at least King Crimson did something worthy of the adoration they get
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No old friend.
I'm became wise enough to know that no matter what people say, the music of Genesis won't change.
I leave my fights for the court...There people pay me to fight. 
Iván |
bah...and bah.. peddle that crap to those that don't know you better.. I've seen you in action... against me!  You were my greatest adversary.. and that is btw.. a great complement.
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Argonaught
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 16:54 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
No Gabriel, Hackett and/or Phillips.....No Genesis. They should had changed the name to The Phil Collins Band, any person who didn't started with ABACAB knows that Genesis is really two bands....One Prog and adventurous, the other popular and IMHO mediocre. I don't care what Genesis did in the 80's and 90's, that's another band. But the merit of their first 10 albums (I include the melodical FGTTR), is not affected for what Collins and his pals did. |
Actually, it's a good topic for a separate discussion: when we rate a band, should we look at their entire body of work, or only consider their top pieces. made in their peak era by their best line-up(s)? Neither would be unfair, but the results can be dramatically different. Pink Floyd had the Barrett period, the Waters-Gilmour period, the Waters + linemen period, and the Watersless Gilmour-Mason period. Then there is Yes proper vs. Buggles-Yes. There is pre-Bruford KC, the 1973-1974 KC, the Belew KC + the Projekcts, and the consequent variations thereof with Levine, Harrison etc. Initially, PT wasn't even a band, and the 1990's PT were not the same as the 2000's PT.
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
PS: Rolling Stones also recognized Pink Floyd...That doesn't make them less. |
Of course not. It simply indicates a higher degree of mainstream recognition. Some bands, like Supertramp and Genesis, embraced this opportunity and morphed into pop bands. PF didn't, IMO, although many feel that post-Waters PF is as pop as it gets. Opinions differ.
Roxbrough wrote:
The thing about King Crimson is they never had very good tunes did they? (Personal opinion) |
Your opinion is as valid as any other person's opinion. I classify the Bruford-era KC as progressive jazz, which follows different melody-making philosophy than symphonic (Genesis) or space/psychodelic (PF) music.
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 16:54 |
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 16:56 |
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
spam man.... I'll have 40 posts before the evening is out. Not hard to do, just have something going on in your head, and a few opinions.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 17:17 |
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 17:23 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 18:49 |
Friday13th wrote:
Ivan, the point that I'm trying to get across is Genesis did not end well. You're acting like they were the Beatles who walked out on a high note. I don't care about what would happen if they tried now in the year 2015, the point is they didn't and they 99% chance won't because they don't have it in them anymore. King Crimson on the other hand has been interesting since 1981. You can argue classic Genesis from Trespass to Wuthering is better than classic Crimson from Court to Red, but you could also argue the reverse. |
In fact, Beatles reaped the harvest of their early pop successes to gradually get more and more experimental. I don't know of any 70s prog rock band that did something equivalent to that. To be fair to them, they (the big ones) were already accepted as prog by the mainstream and trouble began when the popularity of prog began to wane. From among the bands/artists listed on this website, I can readily think of Talk Talk and Radiohead as examples of bands which began to gamble AFTER tasting initial commercial success. I doubt there are a lot many others.
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Roland113
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 18:53 |
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
Point for sarcasm. You'll fit in well here.
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-------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob-------
I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 18:59 |
Roland113 wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Hemis wrote:
Why can't I vote? I have the power to untie things xb but I cannot use it o.O |
Because you are a n00b.
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Ok, not very enlightening.. How can I vote? |
Point for sarcasm. You'll fit in well here. |
especially if he's voting for frickin Genesis The bobbleheads will have another recruit.. then again.. is this the same guy who asked about a DT album. Wait... perhaps he was going to vote for King Crimson. yeah man.. spams away with you. get to 40 before Sunday morning and get to vote. You might just decide it... then you'll really fit in.. you'll gain the everlasting hate of the bobbleheads.. and love of the free thinkers and purveyors of good forum tastes.
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Hemis
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 19:04 |
micky wrote:
especially if he's voting for frickin Genesis The bobbleheads will have another recruit.. then again.. is this the same guy who asked about a DT album. Wait... perhaps he was going to vote for King Crimson.
yeah man.. spams away with you. get to 40 before Sunday morning and get to vote. You might just decide it... then you'll really fit in.. you'll gain the everlasting hate of the bobbleheads.. and love of the free thinkers and purveyors of good forum tastes.
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I don't really care about who likes my opinion on this poll xD Yes, I asked about DT album and no I won't vote for KC, however I feel like some of you have a little resentment towards KC, I wonder why.. I won't spam the forum.. But this is wrong.. this tie
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micky
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 19:11 |
won't vote for K.C... hmmm ... then I'd agree... don't spam. It is bad form. I have no resentment towards K.C. I appreciate the hell out of them, a true giant, hell I voted for the f**kers... I just don't enjoy their music.
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Hemis
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Posted: January 15 2015 at 19:14 |
Why, everytime i see a post from you, I have to see a man's ass and a naked woman? (this last part is ok but.. have some decency xD)
(btw both bands are legendary.. if there wasn't for KC there'd be no Nirvana, therefore no tons of other bands and the same with Genesis)
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