Does Miles Davis belong in Prog?

micky wrote: Kati wrote: I have a question; Is ProgArchives, related to progressive music in general or only to progressive "rock" music? This is very unclear to me right now. join the crowd...  a point made across many pages, in many threads. It is unclear, vague. David called it best. Limbo dudette... Doctor Micky's advice just drink.. lots of booze.. either you will finally understand.. that there is no understanding .. or you will cease to think and stop caring.. either way you win!

I have a question; Is ProgArchives, related to progressive music in general or only to progressive "rock" music?

Lear'sFool wrote: progbethyname wrote: Yes to miles being a progressive artist, but with in progressive rock? Ah no. As Evolver kept saying, go listen to Dark Magus. You'll see.

Edited by zravkapt - January 11 2015 at 15:35

Lear'sFool wrote: Let me just say, this is a site for all progressive music, but Kind of Blue isn't exactly that; Miles innovated by exploring different modes there, but the prog label demands exceptionally long tracks, complex time signatures, and etc. etc. So right track, there. In fact, Maiden Voyage belongs up top, but not Kind of Blue. And welcome.

micky wrote: hah.  A trade off discussed long and hard when he was added.  Less of an evil to have jazz albums on the site than to not have fusion.  It has long been the site policy to not pick and choose which albums from artists to add or not add.  While this is an extreme case, most artists have albums some think belong..and some don't. Best to have them all and let the forum and reviews sort them out. agree with you in a way... earlier poster.  But that is why the point has been made.. this is not a progressive rock site... it long ago became an half-assed (incomplete) extension of prog rock to include progressive music.

Interesting. Really interesting because if we want to usher all music that is heavily Prog-related then this site and its genre classifications would have to be really expanded to a fairly high degree; thus, changing the face of this website. It's a lot of work, and I think this is why my beloved Fields Of The Nephilim haven't been added to the P.A database. .
Overall though, i feel PA definitely goes beyond just the boundaries of the many cataegories of rock related Prog.
I am a proud member. Great site that will welcome an album like 'A kind of blue' with open arms.
Some would think it shouldn't while others do think it should be listed here. Oh what beautiful controversy.

hah.  A trade off discussed long and hard when he was added. 

Less of an evil to have jazz albums on the site than to not have fusion.  It has long been the site policy to not pick and choose which albums from artists to add or not add.  While this is an extreme case, most artists have albums some think belong..and some don't. Best to have them all and let the forum and reviews sort them out.

agree with you in a way... earlier poster.  But that is why the point has been made.. this is not a progressive rock site... it long ago became an half-assed (incomplete) extension of prog rock to include progressive music.

Some really interesting comments/opinions above. ^^^^^

I appreciate the different angles of thought, but my own resides in Miles Davis is that of a progressive artist. The territory he explored with in Jazz has everything that a progrssive style of music showcases and means. I have to say yes. Yes to miles being a progressive artist, but with in progressive rock? Ah no.

If there is a person held in high regard to what progressive music is about, it is Robert Fripp and here I quote him about Miles Davis:

"As a template how a creative, evolving band-unit works, my models would be always jazz groups. Miles Davis, particularly. Let’s face it, Miles was progressive." ~ Robert Fripp.

Link:  http://progarchy.com/2015/01/10/prog-rock-pond-scum-set-to-bum-you-out/

Kati wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: lazland wrote:   Are we able to agree on that and put this to bed? You can re-read your post and notice that you were far from clear enough if what you meant to write is what you wrote in this post. I can easier agree with this although you underestimate the impact Miles had.  I think you need to know a lot about the music you have strong opinions about on PA if you want people to agree with you "and put this to bed".  Awww I love Lazland too much, Saperlipopette (lol I love your name it could be a new Smurf name, maybe Smurfette's partner  hihi), Lazland doesn't particularly enjoy jazz this is acceptable ofcourse as all our tastes differ. This is a good thing too. But one fact is tru,e Miles Davis only played Jazz, he infused his music with other genres but always played Jazz not rock or anything else. What you said is true too, he was an innovator no jazz artist has done what he did, he was fascinated by guitars and keyboards. One thing alone that stands out in terms of music sound quality too as being progressive, was that his Album Bitches Brew was also released in 1973 as Quadraphonic (surround sound way before Dolby digital) and at the time the only two albums (I know) released in Quadraphonic were Dark Side of The Moon by Pink Floyd and Santana's Abraxas. A massive hug to you,

I have no problems with Lazland and his tastes in music. I do however think I have better reasons to claim knowledge about what is being discussed here - both through listening and reading. And I believe I'm more correct regarding these issues than him because of it. Its a unsympathetic thing to claim I know, but that's how I think knowledge generally works. 

What distinguishes Miles Davis from other Jazz artists at the time is that Miles threw away the acoustic instruments for electronic ones. Electric bass, Fender electric pianos, guitars, and organs to name a few.