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 Topic: Hotel California stolen from Jethro Tull?Posted: January 09 2015 at 20:31 |
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Which means that Angie was stolen from "We Used to Know" as well.
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Chicapah
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Posted: January 09 2015 at 14:37 |
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If they stole it from anyone it's probably the Stones. "Angie" has an almost identical chord progression.
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 05 2015 at 04:04 |
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Who cares? People who believe in protecting their intellectual property. Copyright laws, etc. There are laws to protect those that care. Robert Fripp cares. If you don't then no one is likely to care.
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progrockdeepcuts
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Posted: January 03 2015 at 15:44 |
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The similarities are pretty obvious, but who cares? I actually quite like both songs (and Jethro Tull is my all time favorite band).
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Catcher10
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 20:57 |
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SteveG
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 15:58 |
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Jethro Tull never had a Hotel California. They had a Chateau D'isaster!
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dr prog
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 15:51 |
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Too straight forward to me lol Good track though
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 13:01 |
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Has been discussed before, I think, but that doesn't matter.
Maybe true, both bands having toured together. Conscious or subconscious influence? Downright plagiarism? I don't know myself. It happens more often BTW, like the famous theme on Pink Floyd's "Echoes", the notes going up on the ladder and then down again, later also occurring on Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom Of The Opera and Rick Wakeman's "Judas Iscariot".
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 04:52 |
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200 better tracks! We used to know is my all time favourite Tull track. What the hell is going on here? I must have been listening to a different song over the past 45 years. |
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Chris S
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 03:15 |
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Eagles owned it with Hotel California......not a contest regardless of plagiarism questionables...
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dr prog
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 03:10 |
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We used to know is average by tull standards. They have 200 better tracks
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 02:37 |
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I can definitely hear the simularity...
Never quite understood the adoration HC gets in some circles. To my ears it's painfully dull. |
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uduwudu
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 01:43 |
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They're similar but no plagiarism - only melody and lyrics here.
Always thought that the opening arpeggio to Supper's Ready, allied with We Used To Know = Hotel California. No matter, three fine numbers.
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: January 02 2015 at 00:14 |
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I don't know why this thread is in the "Polls" section but this topic has been discussed earlier this year...and it was a poll between the 2 songs.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97714&KW=eagles&PID=4965293#4965293 We Used to Know won....you may want to change this if you like. All the info that has ever been published discounts Tull ever playing We Used To Know in their set list when The Eagles supported them in 1972. We Used to Know was in Tull's set list in 1969 and 1970 but did not play it again until much later in their career. Edited by BarryGlibb - January 02 2015 at 04:59 |
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Svetonio
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 22:43 |
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Of course that Hotel California is stolen from Jethro Tull.
And it's actually a sad fact that probably the best song from the famous country-rock band is the product originated from stealing other band's song ( from a completely different genre ).
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 14:05 |
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I think Ian is off also because Don Felder actually wrote the song. He came into the band much later and wasn't on tour with the Eagles in their early days. I think Felder is a great guitar player.
It's however quite possible that Felder owned the album "Stand Up" and stole those chords and the progression either consciously or subconsciously. Maybe the fact he got thrown out of the band is his Karmic debt getting played out! I personally like The Eagles a lot because their song writing craft is fantastic. They put the song ahead of ego's and chops. I'm sure they could have gone prog, but chose to simply write great songs with heartfelt lyrics people can relate to. Hotel California is a much better song on every level than Tull's "We used to Know" |
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 13:52 |
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The members of Rush tried cocaine once. That's how we got Cygnus, Book 1. |
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zravkapt
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 12:41 |
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What year did Ian say that? I think his memory is failing him; I highly doubt they opened for Tull in 1970 and HC sure as hell did not come out in 1971/2. Chris Squire seems to have a better memory: he blames the Eagles for introducing him to cocaine when Yes toured with them in 1973.
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Manuel
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 10:22 |
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Well said, and these were exactly my thoughts. Chords progressions are re-used all the time, and what makes the difference in a song is the melody, tempo, beat etc. So it's not a big deal, really.
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Xonty
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Posted: January 01 2015 at 08:44 |
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I've heard the progression before in a lot of things, I think I even wrote a song with it once, and as Anderson said they're in different keys, time signatures, and tempos. Both are great songs though, and I'm pretty sure Hotel California was written on the beach or something when the guitarist just started playing it, so if it was, it would have been subliminal. Does it really matter though? Just enjoy the damn songs!
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