Hotel California stolen from Jethro Tull?
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Topic: Hotel California stolen from Jethro Tull?
Posted By: Skullhead
Subject: Hotel California stolen from Jethro Tull?
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 18:08
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXB6WcKrtdo Tull's classic "We used to Know" vs Eagles "Hotel California"? What do you think? |
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 20:00
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Same chord progression, both starting on a minor chord, although one is capoed up. Very similar, but Ian Anderson, who noted the similarities, doesn't care, and so I really don't either. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 20:59
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Don't care. and I prefer Hotel California. ------------- |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 21:11
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The Eagles used to be the opening act for Jethro Tull back in around 1970, when we used to play this. And a year or so later they came out with Hotel California. Martin noticed the fact that they were very similar. So, if the Eagles decide to give me the royalties from Hotel California, I want you to know I'm going to take you all out to dinner! What do you say? Heh? Good? Yeah, and what's more: we'll go somewhere nice! But somehow, the Eagles ain't going to be that f***ing stupid. They're not going to give me the royalties for that. They're going to take you out for dinner! You can tell them I said so. (laughing) - IA introducing 'We Used To Know'. ------------- |
Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 22:32
1. Hotel California is cool  2. I don't care. 
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: December 31 2014 at 22:54
yeah! and yet people are complaining on the Stairway to Heaven riff that was "stolen" from Spirit's instrumental Taurus. i don't care about that one either, and the former song's still cool nonetheless.
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addictedtoprog wrote:Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 04:23
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A similar chord progression is in Camel's Stationary Traveller, too. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 08:09
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It's interesting, but only as a bit of trivia, rather than scandal. Chord progressions get re-used all the time, they're not unique to any given song. Otherwise they would all have been used by now. All the ones that don't sound stupid, anyway. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 08:44
I've heard the progression before in a lot of things, I think I even wrote a song with it once, and as Anderson said they're in different keys, time signatures, and tempos. Both are great songs though, and I'm pretty sure Hotel California was written on the beach or something when the guitarist just started playing it, so if it was, it would have been subliminal. Does it really matter though? Just enjoy the damn songs! 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 10:22
Well said, and these were exactly my thoughts. Chords progressions are re-used all the time, and what makes the difference in a song is the melody, tempo, beat etc. So it's not a big deal, really.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 12:41
What year did Ian say that? I think his memory is failing him; I highly doubt they opened for Tull in 1970 and HC sure as hell did not come out in 1971/2. Chris Squire seems to have a better memory: he blames the Eagles for introducing him to cocaine when Yes toured with them in 1973.  ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 13:52
The members of Rush tried cocaine once. That's how we got Cygnus, Book 1. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Skullhead
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 14:05
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I think Ian is off also because Don Felder actually wrote the song. He came into the band much later and wasn't on tour with the Eagles in their early days. I think Felder is a great guitar player. It's however quite possible that Felder owned the album "Stand Up" and stole those chords and the progression either consciously or subconsciously. Maybe the fact he got thrown out of the band is his Karmic debt getting played out! I personally like The Eagles a lot because their song writing craft is fantastic. They put the song ahead of ego's and chops. I'm sure they could have gone prog, but chose to simply write great songs with heartfelt lyrics people can relate to. Hotel California is a much better song on every level than Tull's "We used to Know" |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: January 01 2015 at 22:43
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Of course that Hotel California is stolen from Jethro Tull. And it's actually a sad fact that probably the best song from the famous country-rock band is the product originated from stealing other band's song ( from a completely different genre ).
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 00:14
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I don't know why this thread is in the "Polls" section but this topic has been discussed earlier this year...and it was a poll between the 2 songs. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97714&KW=eagles&PID=4965293#4965293" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97714&KW=eagles&PID=4965293#4965293 We Used to Know won....you may want to change this if you like. All the info that has ever been published discounts Tull ever playing We Used To Know in their set list when The Eagles supported them in 1972. We Used to Know was in Tull's set list in 1969 and 1970 but did not play it again until much later in their career. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 01:43
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They're similar but no plagiarism - only melody and lyrics here. Always thought that the opening arpeggio to Supper's Ready, allied with We Used To Know = Hotel California. No matter, three fine numbers.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 02:37
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I can definitely hear the simularity... Never quite understood the adoration HC gets in some circles. To my ears it's painfully dull. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 03:10
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We used to know is average by tull standards. They have 200 better tracks ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 03:15
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Eagles owned it with Hotel California......not a contest regardless of plagiarism questionables... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 04:52
200 better tracks! We used to know is my all time favourite Tull track. What the hell is going on here? I must have been listening to a different song over the past 45 years. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 13:01
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Has been discussed before, I think, but that doesn't matter. Maybe true, both bands having toured together. Conscious or subconscious influence? Downright plagiarism? I don't know myself. It happens more often BTW, like the famous theme on Pink Floyd's "Echoes", the notes going up on the ladder and then down again, later also occurring on Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom Of The Opera and Rick Wakeman's "Judas Iscariot".
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 15:51
Too straight forward to me lol Good track though ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 15:58
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Jethro Tull never had a Hotel California. They had a Chateau D'isaster! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 02 2015 at 20:57
+1 -------------   
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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: January 03 2015 at 15:44
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The similarities are pretty obvious, but who cares? I actually quite like both songs (and Jethro Tull is my all time favorite band). ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: Skullhead
Date Posted: January 05 2015 at 04:04
| Who cares? People who believe in protecting their intellectual property. Copyright laws, etc. There are laws to protect those that care. Robert Fripp cares. If you don't then no one is likely to care. |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: January 09 2015 at 14:37
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If they stole it from anyone it's probably the Stones. "Angie" has an almost identical chord progression. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: January 09 2015 at 20:31
Which means that Angie was stolen from "We Used to Know" as well.
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