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Poll Question: Really? PICK ELP !!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Wow.  I've just come back from my neighbours after pursuading them they should join up!



Brilliant! I am trying to get my low carb hostages to do the same, but the Stockholm thingy hasn't worked it's magic yet. I guess ELP will win then.



Thing i've got my neighbours to vote ELP (although looks like i might have to remind them *cranks up the stereo to 11* Sorry we're in opposing trenches on this one! 

Good luck with the hostage thing! You might find it takes time..... but there's no movement here...
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2014 at 16:43
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Wow.  I've just come back from my neighbours after pursuading them they should join up!



Brilliant! I am trying to get my low carb hostages to do the same, but the Stockholm thingy hasn't worked it's magic yet. I guess ELP will win then.
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Wow.  I've just come back from my neighbours after pursuading them they should join up!
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Points: 1607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2014 at 16:19
^What a coincidence... me too hahah


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^I'm getting my wife to join PA to vote for Camel. Evil Smile
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I used to support the idea of a 'Canterbury sound', which I do think exists, but for the purpose of the PA database, I think the old geographical term suits best. 
I've seen this discussion in so many variations, and the only one that has been truly convincing in his explanation of the scene, is Dean. JFTR He is on the geographical team.

Then again, I completely trust Steve to follow whatever he feels most comfortable with. He certainly has more knowledge about these waters than I have *cue the Stewart letter*Tongue




Edited by Guldbamsen - December 18 2014 at 15:48
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Obviously I missed your link........sorry for the redundancy
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I posted the link earlier, but I think no one noticed it...


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I posted the link earlier, but I think no one noticed it...
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2014 at 15:28
Yeah, Calyx is the Canterbury site.  Period.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^ this might help.......http://calyx.perso.neuf.fr
Great idea, TL. Thanks.
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^ this might help.......http://calyx.perso.neuf.fr

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I've been wrestling with the Canterbury question for a while.  I was asked to be the lead guy for the Canterbury sub here, and it's kind of a balancing act between my own personal view (Canterbury Scene refers to a very specific and limited time and place) and the more broad view this site has used in practice (and not without good reason).  Like it or not, the site uses the expanded definition of "Canterbury" as a genre.  The hard part then becomes drawing that line.  What does a band really need to do to "sound Canterbury"?  Soft Machine and Caravan were two completely different sounds. 

Just a side comment, but as I said, I'm still working it out.  There was no rulebook that came with the job.


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Richard Sinclair says....."A lot goes on here, it's quite cosmopolitan, Canterbury, to a degree... But that's because of the tourists, not from the people who actually live here : they are very conservative, not cosmopolitan at all, not particularly worldly, I don't think. The music happens outside, gets written here and taken out. This is the Canterbury scene for me. It doesn't really exist here, but it forms here. Musicians, friends join together and play music together, and then they head off around Europe and play their music and get noted for this type of sound".
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Originally posted by Lear'sFool Lear'sFool wrote:

As another note about the Canterbury bands: most English bands of the scene never hung out in Canterbury - the scene actually revolved around London. It was a style, first and foremost, rather than a scene. And then a few French and Dutch bands hopped on. There's a reason Wyatt called his one band Matching Mole, and do remember the make-up of Gong.


IndeedClap. And also remember that bands from other countries were associated to the Canterbury movement on account of their sound: not just Supersister (Dutch) or Patrick Forgas (French), but also Picchio dal Pozzo (Italian) and The Muffins (USA, and still active!). Just like Krautrock, Canterbury was a style much more than a mere geographical location.
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Points: 8642 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2014 at 13:55
As another note about the Canterbury bands: most English bands of the scene never hung out in Canterbury - the scene actually revolved around London. It was a style, first and foremost, rather than a scene. And then a few French and Dutch bands hopped on. There's a reason Wyatt called his one band Matching Mole, and do remember the make-up of Gong.
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I would concur that they are Canterbury-related, but to me it's not all that apparent other than on a few tracks mostly, not surprisingly, from Rain Dances and Breathless.  Supertwister, the one which really got this debate going, seems a bit too mellow and straightforward to be a Canterbury tune, and it's not smug enough Tongue
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2014 at 11:45
This site (the ultimate resource on the Canterbury scene) does list Camel as a Canterbury-related band - not surprising, as every outfit that has featured at least one member of a recognized Canterbury band is listed. The site owner, Aymeric Leroy, is an extremely knowledgeable Frenchman who happens to know most of the original protagonists of the Canterbury scene.
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Originally posted by Flight123 Flight123 wrote:

Roger That, Roger That.  Camel are generally considered part of the Canterbury family.  Its not just the Richard Sinclair connection.  For instance, I saw Andy Ward playing in 'Going Going' with Hugh Hopper (supporting Gongmaison at Brixton Fridge)

Absolutely not.

The Canterbury Scene was a term for bands active in the Canterbury area - like Merseybeat bands came from Liverpool. Most (not all) were connected in some way to The Wilde Flowers.

Camel have no connection with Canterbury whatsoever, so cannot be a Canterbury scene band any more than the Rolling Stones could be classed as Merseybeat.
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