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TODDLER 
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 Posted: December 10 2014 at 04:52 |
 Kati wrote:
Who said Miles Davis does not belong in prog? |
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 04:59 |
Kati wrote:
Who said Miles Davis does not belong in prog? |
Originally, Attila the Hun did, but most of historians today tend to agree he was just being passive-aggressive 
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 05:07 |
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 05:07 |
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If this web site is really Progressive Archives, ok for Miles Davis, but if it's Progressive Rock Archives, no.
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 05:33 |
rdtprog wrote:
If this web site is really Progressive Archives, ok for Miles Davis, but if it's Progressive Rock Archives, no.
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Listen to his jazz-rockfusion albums!!! If you're ok with Jazz-rockfusion being here as a sub genre Miles is essential.
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 06:28 |
rdtprog wrote:
If this web site is really Progressive Archives, ok for Miles Davis, but if it's Progressive Rock Archives, no.
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Yep, this is quite clearly what we need. A split! I vote that we immediately set up Progressive Archives, Progressive Rock Archives, Prog Archive, Prog Rock Archives, because, of course, we argue endlessly about Prog and Progressive, Proto Progressive Archives, Proto Progressive Rock Archives, Proto Prog Archives, Proto Prog Rock Archives, Progressive Related Archives, Progressive Rock Related Archives, prog Related Archives, Prog Rock Related Archives........ I think I will go back to work now 
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Davesax1965
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 07:38 |
As a jazz musician, I have to tell you that Miles Davis is as prog as the Spice Girls.
A lot of the experimental jazz of the late 50's - Davis, Coltrane et al, and even of the 40's - Charlie Parker and fellow beboppers - was basically an influence for "progressive" forms of music. But that doesn't make it prog.
It makes it jazz. It's already been labelled. And Miles went through several different musical styles, as did most jazz musicians. I see a lot of music mislabelled on Prog Archives, and this is definitely one of these occasions.
Prog ? No. Definitely not.
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Kati
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 07:55 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
As a jazz musician, I have to tell you that Miles Davis is as prog as the Spice Girls.
A lot of the experimental jazz of the late 50's - Davis, Coltrane et al, and even of the 40's - Charlie Parker and fellow beboppers - was basically an influence for "progressive" forms of music. But that doesn't make it prog.
It makes it jazz. It's already been labelled. And Miles went through several different musical styles, as did most jazz musicians. I see a lot of music mislabelled on Prog Archives, and this is definitely one of these occasions.
Prog ? No. Definitely not.
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As a NONE Musician but a Jazz aficionado I am stunned with your remark above. I love jazz for the 8 years I lived in Holland I never ever missed the North Sea Jazz Festival (plus I do know Gerry Mulligan is white, not black ;) hihihihi ) 
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Kati
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:07 |
to be honest we continue to call recent music prog, but this is not necessary true, all has been done before thus what we get are variations of it. This said prog is a brilliant word to classify and pin point people to what they like and enjoy this genre of moozik.
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Padraic
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:16 |
terramystic wrote:
But Kind of Blue in top prog rock albums? Are you kidding?
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That's an unfortunate consequence of the way this site operates, whereby if an artist is added then their complete discography is represented here. Obviously Kind of Blue is not progressive rock, but it's here, gets rated very highly, and makes it's way to the "top of" list. Album tagging would help alleviate this, but there's far too many artists and albums now to go down that road.
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:23 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
As a jazz musician, I have to tell you that Miles Davis is as prog as the Spice Girls.
A lot of the experimental jazz of the late 50's - Davis, Coltrane et al, and even of the 40's - Charlie Parker and fellow beboppers - was basically an influence for "progressive" forms of music. But that doesn't make it prog.
It makes it jazz. It's already been labelled. And Miles went through several different musical styles, as did most jazz musicians. I see a lot of music mislabelled on Prog Archives, and this is definitely one of these occasions.
Prog ? No. Definitely not.
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But you would agree that Miles was at the forefront of jazz-rock/fusion, and because that genre is represented here then it is appropriate for Miles to be here. Now, if you think JR/F itself shouldn't be here, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but it's a separate matter.
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Kati
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:35 |
Padraic wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
As a jazz musician, I have to tell you that Miles Davis is as prog as the Spice Girls.
A lot of the experimental jazz of the late 50's - Davis, Coltrane et al, and even of the 40's - Charlie Parker and fellow beboppers - was basically an influence for "progressive" forms of music. But that doesn't make it prog.
It makes it jazz. It's already been labelled. And Miles went through several different musical styles, as did most jazz musicians. I see a lot of music mislabelled on Prog Archives, and this is definitely one of these occasions.
Prog ? No. Definitely not.
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But you would agree that Miles was at the forefront of jazz-rock/fusion, and because that genre is represented here then it is appropriate for Miles to be here. Now, if you think JR/F itself shouldn't be here, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but it's a separate matter.
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Miles Davis both with Bitches Brew or Sketches of Spain if this does not belong here I really don't know what does, I am not a sheep btw, as I do not like a all prog moozik although my taste tends to favorite this genre. hugs,
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Kati
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:53 |
TODDLER wrote:
Kati wrote:
Who said Miles Davis does not belong in prog? |
Fox 29 News
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hahahaha!!! 
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 09:37 |
Padraic wrote:
But you would agree that Miles was at the forefront of jazz-rock/fusion, and because that genre is represented here then it is appropriate for Miles to be here. Now, if you think JR/F itself shouldn't be here, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but it's a separate matter.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 10:08 |
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Sorry. Everyone who think Miles does not belong here - yes including you mr Davesax jazz musician - is uninformed. We all know 40's 50' jazz isn't prog but most if not all of Miles 1968-74 releases are jazz-rock fusion.. which is a sub-genre on PA. Do you all want that sub genre removed? Is that it?
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:10 |
Kati wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Davesax1965 wrote:
As a jazz musician, I have to tell you that Miles Davis is as prog as the Spice Girls.
A lot of the experimental jazz of the late 50's - Davis, Coltrane et al, and even of the 40's - Charlie Parker and fellow beboppers - was basically an influence for "progressive" forms of music. But that doesn't make it prog.
It makes it jazz. It's already been labelled. And Miles went through several different musical styles, as did most jazz musicians. I see a lot of music mislabelled on Prog Archives, and this is definitely one of these occasions.
Prog ? No. Definitely not.
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But you would agree that Miles was at the forefront of jazz-rock/fusion, and because that genre is represented here then it is appropriate for Miles to be here. Now, if you think JR/F itself shouldn't be here, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but it's a separate matter.
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Miles Davis both with Bitches Brew or Sketches of Spain if this does not belong here I really don't know what does, I am not a sheep btw, as I do not like a all prog moozik although my taste tends to favorite this genre. hugs, |
Bitches Brew and Sketches Of Spain are my favorite.
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King Manuel
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:32 |
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Never understood why he is listed on PA! A Jazz Maestro and Innovator for sure, but Prog Rock, well, don't think so.
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RockHound
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:47 |
Progressive music, definitely. Progressive rock, definitely not, IMHO.
Does Miles belong on Progressive Archives? That's in the eye of the beholder - many listings here are what I would consider tangential to progressive rock. We could have the same discussion about many of the "prog-related" rock bands (oh please, let's don't).
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tamijo
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 13:19 |
Looks to me
more like if the debate is ,does “Jazz/Rock Fusion” belong in PA, and I think
is does, the progressive Rock, The Avant/Rio and Jazz/Rock Fusion have always
been closely related, and a lot of bands/ musicians work in several genres. (Gong/Bruford/Zappa to
name a few), if you agree that Jazz Rock belongs in PA, Miles cannot be
excluded. Then you will have some Jazz albums too, because there is a full
disgo policy, and so what.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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freyacat
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Posted: December 10 2014 at 13:32 |
So, Miles Davis lost all of those fans in the 60's because he was starting to play rock. But we refuse to grant him that title? Personally, I think of "Bitches Brew" as the black "Tales from Topographic Oceans." I think of it in the same terms I think of Progressive Rock. When you really think about it, what is it that makes Mahavishnu Orchestra jazz and Larks' Tongues in Aspic rock? I do not accept the artificial boundaries. Miles Davis belongs here alongside Yes and King Crimson.
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