Does Miles Davis belong in Prog? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

dr wu23 wrote:

Progressive rock...? No....jazz and jazz fusion...yes.

This.

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zravkapt wrote:

Some of you need to listen to this album:

http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Dark+Magus/4432975

One of the best.

Ok, I was just kidding. Jazz/Fusion=Prog. Ok?

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I'm so glad someone decided Prog Archives need a Jazz/Fusion section because I had no idea I would love this style of music so much, and I discovered it from this site. Symphonic is the only sub-genre i've reviewed more than Jazz/Fusion.

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seems the main thing is the generation. miles davis and dave brubeck are an older generation than rtf, mahavishnu, weather report, and their generation of players. sun ra is also in the older generation, but

did some things that sound like rock.

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brainstormer wrote:

seems the main thing is the generation. miles davis and dave brubeck are an older generation than rtf, mahavishnu, weather report, and their generation of players. sun ra is also in the older generation, but

did some things that sound like rock.

Let's not forget that Chick Corea and Airto (RTF), John McLaughlin and Billy Cobham (Mahavishnu Orchestra), Joe Zawinul and Wayne Shorter (Weather Report), as well as Herbie Hancock, John Scofield, and Tony Williams, all listed on PA as J/R Fusion artists, were all players for Miles.

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The.Crimson.King wrote:

From the PA home page:

"PROG ARCHIVES intends to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource."

Based on that, I never thought Miles should be here...

LOL. PA is the king of saying one thing and doing another. But like I said earlier, it is nice to have a resource for these albums even if they are not prog. My complaint is that this inclusiveness is selective.

Evolver wrote:

The similarity between Miles and Brubeck is that both of these men pushed jazz beyond it's traditional boundaries. Like the prog pioneers, they broke the barriers that were limiting their genre.

The difference is that one of the things Miles did was legitimize the use of the rock rhythm section in jazz, which, from the jazz side, was the foundation of fusion. Brubeck, on the other hand, was more interested in odd time changes (a staple of the prog sound), and a blending of classical and jazz. Hence, Miles belongs in the fusion subgenre, Brubeck does not.

I'm so glad you're on the fusion team Scott!

If Miles doesn't belong here, then we might as well throw out the entire jazz rock/fusion subgenre.

I agree, that it's irritating to have an album like Kind of Blue adorning the top 100, but just because the software can't tell the difference between a Bop record and a prog album doesn't mean we should remove the artist responsible for the Bop. He's here because he basically started fusion. There would be no Mahavishnu, Weather Report or Mwandishi if the players hadn't all met up during the Bitches Brew sessions.

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Saperlipopette! wrote:

He recorded this 33 minute long Jazzrock-masterpiece in 1967!

Or maybe just jazz so avant-garde, broad-minded and complex that one can find in it (or imagine into it) references to a couple of dozen genres and styles?

Edited by Argonaught - December 09 2014 at 06:17

Absolutely

Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours