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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 01:27
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is  LOL  (thanks Blacksword)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo



LOL Cricket = rounders for the sexually repressed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:08
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is  LOL  (thanks Blacksword)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo
LOL Cricket = rounders for the sexually repressed


So if cricket is rounders for the sexually repressed, what does that make baseball (ie American rounders)?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:18
^ Bocce for the sexually retarded ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:43
We'd all be speaking English
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 03:43
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

We'd all be speaking English

No te entiendo? Confused LOL Y que es esta chingadera de Ingles?


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - June 27 2014 at 03:45
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Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.”

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 04:16
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Bocce for the sexually retarded ?


If it's true that even Hell has a door policy, then croquet must be golf for sex offenders
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 04:52
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

It's so long ago it's hard to say, but I'd suppose Dean has the right of it in a large way. 

In the end though, America was probably inevitably going to fall out of British hands. If not by that "uprising" then another. I bet a few great American thinkers, notably Jefferson, would have been executed for treason. 

It would possibly send ripples through time affecting the French revolution, assuming of course there wasn't another more successful American revolution 20 years down the line. 
Sure, if Britain had been successful in suppressing the uprising they would have made an example of the leaders, especially those who had signed the Declaration of Independence and, (based upon how Britain dealt with the leaders of similar uprisings before and after), it would have been harsh and brutal resulting in treason trials, executions and transportation to Australia as well as having their land confiscated - the right to bear arms would not exist (nor would the right to bare arms or arm bears). This would have left the 13-Colonies in no position to mount a second uprising. The losing colonists would have received a hefty tax increase, (just as they did for winning), however they probably would have been granted token representation in the British Parliament before being absorbed into British North America. I suspect that retaliation against the French for their involvement would have ultimately resulted in British North America becoming Canada considerably sooner than it did. As I outlined earlier, the borders in North America would have run North-South rather than East-West as they do now. The American Civil War would not have happened and the subsequent push west would not have happened, so the phrase "Wild West" would now refer to Devon and Cornwall and bits of Wales.

The root cause of both the American and French revolutions was the Seven Years' War resulting in heavy taxation in France and Britain to pay for it. Because the French lost all the land they occupied in North America to Britain, Spain and the Native Americans and imposed a regressive tax system on their population the French Revolution was inevitable. So securing a victory against the British for the 13 Colonies without regaining any of the land back for France was of no comfort to the people of France - win, lose or not fight at all would only have changed when the French Revolution occurred, not if. However the outcome of the "13-Colony Uprising" would have determined how Britain reacted to the French Revolution. It would also have affected Britain's relationship with Spain, and thus Spain's relationship with France and Portugal so not have led to Spain's decline as a world power, the Spanish Empire would have lasted a while longer until it reached the tipping-point of owning an empire costing more than it reaped.

What is harder to predict is the effect on Britain itself since losing the 13-colonies was seen as an embarrassment at the time but didn't affect Britain's position as a world power, the British Empire continued unaffected for another century or more - India and the West Indies were far more lucrative prizes than the plantations of Virginia et al. History suggests that Britain would have continued to be Nasty Colonial B*st*rds regardless of the outcome. On the upside, Mel Gibson would be an Australian sheep farmer who wears Union Jack underpants and has a picture of HRH Elizabeth Windsor over his bed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:24
How many idiots are there in Great Britain? I ask because it surely can't be any higher a number of cretins than in the US even as a percentage, so I can safely say that at least this country would be a little less full of idiots. 

And yes probably there wouldn't have been school shootings... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:49

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


All that armour

Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

How many idiots are there in Great Britain? I ask because it surely can't be any higher a number of cretins than in the US even as a percentage, so I can safely say that at least this country would be a little less full of idiots.


That's a very interesting question T, especially as you even claim to have more than us as a percentage...

I may even have agreed with you until recently, but the popularity of our 'red-top' tabloids taken with the popular showing of UKIP in recent elections may just have tipped the balance back to Blighty.

Yay!

Go England



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

All that armour


Maybe that's just in case Luuis Suarez has taken up American Football?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:29
Am I the only one recalling an episode of Sliders on this very subject?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:38
^I remember that. Can't remember the specific details of that episode, but I do remember one where they ended up in an America that lost the Revolution.

On another note, I have to wonder how that might have effected the outcome of the two world wars. Both may have been shorter as it would have sped up American involvement. Or we could have lost and all be speaking German now. There is no way to tell how a change in one event may have effected the outcome of all events which came after.

Of course, there is also the possibility that we did in fact lose the Revolution and at some point in the future, time travel technology was invented and that past was changed (maybe it sucked)and all of our memories of that past were modified by the change. Who knows, I may have just winked into existence.   "Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff" - 10th Doctor

Edited by The Doctor - June 27 2014 at 10:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:42
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Am I the only one recalling an episode of Sliders on this very subject?
That thought did cross my mind as well.  I remembered one with Mexico controlling California.  And there was one with Russia controlling California.  I couldn't remember if there was one with the US still under British control or not, but I did think that I remembered that there was one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:44
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

^I remember that. Can't remember the specific details of that episode, but I do remember one where they ended up in an America that lost the Revolution.

On another note, I have to wonder how that might have effected the outcome of the two world wars. Both may have been shorter as it would have sped up American involvement. Or we could have lost and all be speaking German now. There is no way to tell how a change in one event may have effected the outcome of all events which came after.
I think there was a Sliders episode where the Germans had won the war too.  I just re-watched them not that long ago, so you would think that I would remember, but I am getting old and they say the memory is the first thing to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:50
^Yeah, I think there was. I have all 5 seasons on DVD and watched them not too long ago myself. Can't remember specifics of any of them either.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:58
If we had won, we would be clear favourites to win the soccer World Cup, instead of a bunch of overpaid pansies being back home, we would not have lost a Test Series to Sri Lanka, we would have tonked the All Blacks and South Africa respectively in rugby union, and we would not be relying on just one lone Scottish chappie to win something this year at Wimbledon for our country.

In other words, that bloody war could, in retrospect, be seen as the beginning of the end for a once great country.

I 'ad that Nigel Farage in the back of me cab once.................LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:21
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


All that armour

Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:32
The mere lack of existence of the religious right, and the fact that the world wouldn't have needed the word "soccer" but only "football", would have been two very desirable consequences of the the British having won. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:38
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

If we had won, we would be clear favourites to win the soccer World Cup, instead of a bunch of overpaid pansies being back home, we would not have lost a Test Series to Sri Lanka, we would have tonked the All Blacks and South Africa respectively in rugby union, and we would not be relying on just one lone Scottish chappie to win something this year at Wimbledon for our country.

In other words, that bloody war could, in retrospect, be seen as the beginning of the end for a once great country.

I 'ad that Nigel Farage in the back of me cab once.................LOL


'...nice bloke. Seems like you could have a pint with him.  Tells it how it is.....'

I don't think we would have won Wimbledon though.  Except maybe the ladies avec Williams Sisters.  

imagine the size of a portion of fish chips and mushy peas you'd get in a US British Colony or whatever.


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