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Topic: If Britain had won the War
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Subject: If Britain had won the War
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 15:25

http://www.fastcocreate.com/3032319/newcastle-brown-ale-imagines-america-if-july-4th-never-happened

What would USA be like if we had won?








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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 15:31
The Tea Party would probably mean something different.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 15:31
I thought the French won?

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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 15:38
I do not know if you are aware but there is a country north of the USA, called Canada . Still part of the Commonwealth, though not a 'Dominion'or a colony anymore. Shocked 

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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 15:59
No cronuts. 


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:14
We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play, might never have been invented.   

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:31
Probably richer.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 16:39
I could get really good teas quite easily and my accent would kick ass.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 20:30
We'd all be eating Stilton and roasted marrow instead of Jack and BBQ ribs, not that there's anything wrong with Stilton or marrow.

What if the US had adopted German as the national language, which it almost did, instead of English?  



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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 25 2014 at 21:34
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


http://www.fastcocreate.com/3032319/newcastle-brown-ale-imagines-america-if-july-4th-never-happened

What would USA be like if we had won?

There would be no USA. There would just be more to the British Overseas Territories.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 01:54
Roasted marrow? Confused

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 02:08
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play...


Pah!

All that armour, 97 people on each team, none of whom are on the pitch for more than 30 seconds, played in quarters not halfs & so boring they have to have teams of pretty ladies jumping up & down on the sidelines to keep the crowd amused

American football is just rugby for pansies!



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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 02:21
*pansies are just violas for pandas.

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 02:29


*Pandas are just bears with eye makeup


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 02:38
Less wild and equally west.

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Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 02:46
Malt vinegar would cost more.


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 05:24
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play...


Pah!

All that armour, 97 people on each team, none of whom are on the pitch for more than 30 seconds, played in quarters not halfs & so boring they have to have teams of pretty ladies jumping up & down on the sidelines to keep the crowd amused

American football is just rugby for pansies!



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Damn, beat me to it!


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 05:44
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:



*Pandas are just bears with eye makeup


That made me laugh out loud LOL

If we had won? there wouldn't be a world series restricted to just local teams, no politician would be dumb enough to showboat through the empire in an open top limousine, your cheese and chocolate would taste like cheese and chocolate, Dream Theatre would be spelt (NOT spelled) correctly, Michael Jackson would have been dyed black and institutionalized* (and f*cking 'American English' would be considered a war crime against language), Jim Carey and Adam Sandler would have been beaten into renal failure by a baying but discerning mob with an overwhelming mandate for clemency, John Lennon would still be alive and Mark Chapman would be starring as the parasite that lives in your colon in a documentary about consumer resource interactions, Jimi Hendrix would be converted from ex-pat to local hero, another really sh*t national anthem would have been avoided, a billion would mean a million million and a trillion would mean a million million million because some obscure outpost of the commonwealth clearly can't count (or spell), neither your beat cop or petty criminal scum would be armed, fighting in a jungle environment completely alien to our troops like say, Vietnam would have never been countenanced and a bill of rights that deems sacrosanct the right to keep and bear arms (or arm bears, you choose) has been instrumental in the avoidance of mass random and motiveless slayings in high schools, educational establishments and places of higher learning.


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 06:00
Ted Nugent would probably have formed USIP

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 06:12
Yeah but... roasted marrow?

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 06:20
The empire was going to crumble one way or another.  I suspect we still would have become independent and wound up about where we are now.

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 07:02
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Yeah but... roasted marrow?


Gawd, it chills me to the very erm...marrow. Lower case punishment for the stroppy assimilated proles I say. (I blame the ex facto parents)


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 07:08
I have had roasted marrow actually - stuffed with haggis; tastes better than it sounds (seasoning is the key)

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 07:12
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

I have had roasted marrow actually - stuffed with haggis; tastes better than it sounds (seasoning is the key)


deep fried marrow?


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 07:59
^^^ He's not Scottish..

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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 08:30
I imagine the US would be more like Canada or Australia, then, at least in terms of legal and political system.

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 08:54
We who live in the US would all be better off, except a few. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 09:22
Oh right - marrow as in the overblown courgette, not marrow as the innards of a bone. 

You eat that roasted and stuffed with haggis?


That's taking being a glutton for punishment to a whole new level.



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 09:30
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play...


Pah!

All that armour, 97 people on each team, none of whom are on the pitch for more than 30 seconds, played in quarters not halfs & so boring they have to have teams of pretty ladies jumping up & down on the sidelines to keep the crowd amused

American football is just rugby for pansies!



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Rugby? Isn't that that game where you throw a ball in the middle of the field and release packs of wild dogs to chew on each other for possession of the ball?

I'll give you Brits this, you don't do anything by half measures. It's either so slow it could be used as a sedative (soccer) or it's downright brutal and anarchy on the field.

Some pretty ladies on the field jumping up and down might make soccer a tad more interesting.   

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 11:27
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play...
 

Pah! 

All that armour, 97 people on each team, none of whom are on the pitch for more than 30 seconds, played in quarters not halfs & so boring they have to have teams of pretty ladies jumping up & down on the sidelines to keep the crowd amused 

American football is just rugby for pansies! 

  

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Rugby? Isn't that that game where you throw a ball in the middle of the field and release packs of wild dogs to chew on each other for possession of the ball? 

I'll give you Brits this, you don't do anything by half measures. It's either so slow it could be used as a sedative (soccer) or it's downright brutal and anarchy on the field. 

Some pretty ladies on the field jumping up and down might make soccer a tad more interesting.    
The Rugby is hampered by the same problem that 'Mercan Football has - the ball itself.

The original Murderball (now the name for wheelchair rugby) used a medicine ball (size of a basket ball, weights something like 20 lbs and does not bounce) instead of an inflated pig's bladder and disposed of the rule-book completely. The aim was to get the ball into the opponents goal "by any means".

There is a version of the game that dispenses with the notion of the "ball" completely called British Bulldog, or just Bulldog, as seen here featuring players from the British Lions and the NZ All Blacks:



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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 11:37
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oh right - marrow as in the overblown courgette, not marrow as the innards of a bone. 

You eat that roasted and stuffed with haggis?


That's taking being a glutton for punishment to a whole new level.



Marrow *yuk*

Marrow stuffed with Haggis *now you're talking*

Probly wouldn't eat the marrow bit though.


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 14:10
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

^^^ He's not Scottish..


Yes, (I know) but I am


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 14:17
Marrow, last thing I saw, is a vegetable. So even if it was deep fried, the Scots wouldn't eat it.

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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 19:53
Probably very similar to it is now, except for few minor changes of course (Queen as Official head of State)...


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 21:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oh right - marrow as in the overblown courgette, not marrow as the innards of a bone. 

You had it right the first time-- I should've said kidney pie or something  Smile




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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 21:42
and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is  LOL  (thanks Blacksword)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo



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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 21:45
If Britain had won the War, we'd probably have to be more specific about which war we were talking about.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2014 at 21:57
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:



*Pandas are just bears with eye makeup


That made me laugh out loud LOL

If we had won? there wouldn't be a world series restricted to just local teams, no politician would be dumb enough to showboat through the empire in an open top limousine, your cheese and chocolate would taste like cheese and chocolate, Dream Theatre would be spelt (NOT spelled) correctly, Michael Jackson would have been dyed black and institutionalized* (and f*cking 'American English' would be considered a war crime against language), Jim Carey and Adam Sandler would have been beaten into renal failure by a baying but discerning mob with an overwhelming mandate for clemency, John Lennon would still be alive and Mark Chapman would be starring as the parasite that lives in your colon in a documentary about consumer resource interactions, Jimi Hendrix would be converted from ex-pat to local hero, another really sh*t national anthem would have been avoided, a billion would mean a million million and a trillion would mean a million million million because some obscure outpost of the commonwealth clearly can't count (or spell), neither your beat cop or petty criminal scum would be armed, fighting in a jungle environment completely alien to our troops like say, Vietnam would have never been countenanced and a bill of rights that deems sacrosanct the right to keep and bear arms (or arm bears, you choose) has been instrumental in the avoidance of mass random and motiveless slayings in high schools, educational establishments and places of higher learning.
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Of course the Untied States of America would not exist at all, Canada would run the entire Atlantic coast from Baffin Island down to Florida and its western border would follow the Appalachian Mountains, the next bit heading west would be Native America, then Spanish of some form, and finally the South and West Coast would be Mexican. Alaska would still be Russian and Hawaii an independent state (though they'd still have the Union flag as part of the design of their national flag).

Having won the 7 Years' War, (which included the French and Indian wars) and suppressed the American Uprising (sorry, history would not have recorded it as a "war"or a "revolution"), which would have further humiliated the French, who were directly to blame for both conflicts. This would have dramatically increased France's national debt and sparked the French Revolution sooner, but this time Britain (and possibly Spain) would have stepped in to aid Louis XVI instead of just sending Lesie Howard to rescue a few nobs and so France would still be a monarchy, albeit just a titular one. Therefore the French Revolutionary Wars and Napoleonic Wars would not have happened thus halting the spread of Republicanism that ultimately led to the Russian Revolution. Which would also have removed the major impetus of the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions - that is "total warfare". Industrialisation would still have happened, but at a much slower pace and probably not with Britain at its centre - thus Europe and the American colonies would have remained predominately rural and agricultural, and without that, so would the rest of the world. 

Without concept of "total warfare" WW1 would not have escalated as quickly or as globally as it did. France, Russia and Britain would still have supported Serbia, and Germany would have supported  Austria-Hungary, but on a much smaller scale and confined to the Balkans - the war would have been the short war everyone had predicted it to be. The result of which would not have been an armistice so the Treaty of Versailles would not have put reparation debt on Germany - net result being - no Hitler and no WW2. Also a shorter, lower scale war would not have destabilised Russia so no Revolution of 1917 and the Romanov dynasty would still be in power. 

The technical innovations resulting from WW2 would not have happened when they did, computers, radar, jets, rockets and atom bombs would still have been invented, but not as quickly, similarly without the Russian Revolution and nuclear weapons there would have been no Cold War, no Space Race and no Moon landing so the spin-off innovations resulting from that would have been a lot slower coming. It also means that the State of Israel would not exist and neither would the Vatican City State. 



*sorry, I'm rambling ... suffering from insomnia tonight for some reason.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 00:04
It's so long ago it's hard to say, but I'd suppose Dean has the right of it in a large way.

In the end though, America was probably inevitably going to fall out of British hands. If not by that "uprising" then another. I bet a few great American thinkers, notably Jefferson, would have been executed for treason.

It would possibly send ripples through time affecting the French revolution, assuming of course there wasn't another more successful American revolution 20 years down the line.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 00:09
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

We might all have to watch soccer.    And real football, American football, the kind of football that MEN play, might never have been invented.   

Real football?? No, it's not real football 'tis a load of sCensored


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 01:27
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is  LOL  (thanks Blacksword)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo



LOL Cricket = rounders for the sexually repressed


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:08
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is  LOL  (thanks Blacksword) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEH4ahCCrJo
LOL Cricket = rounders for the sexually repressed


So if cricket is rounders for the sexually repressed, what does that make baseball (ie American rounders)?

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:18
^ Bocce for the sexually retarded ?

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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:43
We'd all be speaking English

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 03:43
Originally posted by Luna Luna wrote:

We'd all be speaking English

No te entiendo? Confused LOL Y que es esta chingadera de Ingles?


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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 04:16
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Bocce for the sexually retarded ?


If it's true that even Hell has a door policy, then croquet must be golf for sex offenders


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 04:52
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

It's so long ago it's hard to say, but I'd suppose Dean has the right of it in a large way. 

In the end though, America was probably inevitably going to fall out of British hands. If not by that "uprising" then another. I bet a few great American thinkers, notably Jefferson, would have been executed for treason. 

It would possibly send ripples through time affecting the French revolution, assuming of course there wasn't another more successful American revolution 20 years down the line. 
Sure, if Britain had been successful in suppressing the uprising they would have made an example of the leaders, especially those who had signed the Declaration of Independence and, (based upon how Britain dealt with the leaders of similar uprisings before and after), it would have been harsh and brutal resulting in treason trials, executions and transportation to Australia as well as having their land confiscated - the right to bear arms would not exist (nor would the right to bare arms or arm bears). This would have left the 13-Colonies in no position to mount a second uprising. The losing colonists would have received a hefty tax increase, (just as they did for winning), however they probably would have been granted token representation in the British Parliament before being absorbed into British North America. I suspect that retaliation against the French for their involvement would have ultimately resulted in British North America becoming Canada considerably sooner than it did. As I outlined earlier, the borders in North America would have run North-South rather than East-West as they do now. The American Civil War would not have happened and the subsequent push west would not have happened, so the phrase "Wild West" would now refer to Devon and Cornwall and bits of Wales.

The root cause of both the American and French revolutions was the Seven Years' War resulting in heavy taxation in France and Britain to pay for it. Because the French lost all the land they occupied in North America to Britain, Spain and the Native Americans and imposed a regressive tax system on their population the French Revolution was inevitable. So securing a victory against the British for the 13 Colonies without regaining any of the land back for France was of no comfort to the people of France - win, lose or not fight at all would only have changed when the French Revolution occurred, not if. However the outcome of the "13-Colony Uprising" would have determined how Britain reacted to the French Revolution. It would also have affected Britain's relationship with Spain, and thus Spain's relationship with France and Portugal so not have led to Spain's decline as a world power, the Spanish Empire would have lasted a while longer until it reached the tipping-point of owning an empire costing more than it reaped.

What is harder to predict is the effect on Britain itself since losing the 13-colonies was seen as an embarrassment at the time but didn't affect Britain's position as a world power, the British Empire continued unaffected for another century or more - India and the West Indies were far more lucrative prizes than the plantations of Virginia et al. History suggests that Britain would have continued to be Nasty Colonial B*st*rds regardless of the outcome. On the upside, Mel Gibson would be an Australian sheep farmer who wears Union Jack underpants and has a picture of HRH Elizabeth Windsor over his bed.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:24
How many idiots are there in Great Britain? I ask because it surely can't be any higher a number of cretins than in the US even as a percentage, so I can safely say that at least this country would be a little less full of idiots. 

And yes probably there wouldn't have been school shootings... 


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:49

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


All that armour

Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football?



Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

How many idiots are there in Great Britain? I ask because it surely can't be any higher a number of cretins than in the US even as a percentage, so I can safely say that at least this country would be a little less full of idiots.


That's a very interesting question T, especially as you even claim to have more than us as a percentage...

I may even have agreed with you until recently, but the popularity of our 'red-top' tabloids taken with the popular showing of UKIP in recent elections may just have tipped the balance back to Blighty.

Yay!

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

All that armour


Maybe that's just in case Luuis Suarez has taken up American Football?





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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:29
Am I the only one recalling an episode of Sliders on this very subject?

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:38
^I remember that. Can't remember the specific details of that episode, but I do remember one where they ended up in an America that lost the Revolution.

On another note, I have to wonder how that might have effected the outcome of the two world wars. Both may have been shorter as it would have sped up American involvement. Or we could have lost and all be speaking German now. There is no way to tell how a change in one event may have effected the outcome of all events which came after.

Of course, there is also the possibility that we did in fact lose the Revolution and at some point in the future, time travel technology was invented and that past was changed (maybe it sucked)and all of our memories of that past were modified by the change. Who knows, I may have just winked into existence.   "Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff" - 10th Doctor

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:42
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Am I the only one recalling an episode of Sliders on this very subject?
That thought did cross my mind as well.  I remembered one with Mexico controlling California.  And there was one with Russia controlling California.  I couldn't remember if there was one with the US still under British control or not, but I did think that I remembered that there was one.


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:44
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

^I remember that. Can't remember the specific details of that episode, but I do remember one where they ended up in an America that lost the Revolution.

On another note, I have to wonder how that might have effected the outcome of the two world wars. Both may have been shorter as it would have sped up American involvement. Or we could have lost and all be speaking German now. There is no way to tell how a change in one event may have effected the outcome of all events which came after.
I think there was a Sliders episode where the Germans had won the war too.  I just re-watched them not that long ago, so you would think that I would remember, but I am getting old and they say the memory is the first thing to go.


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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:50
^Yeah, I think there was. I have all 5 seasons on DVD and watched them not too long ago myself. Can't remember specifics of any of them either.   

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 10:58
If we had won, we would be clear favourites to win the soccer World Cup, instead of a bunch of overpaid pansies being back home, we would not have lost a Test Series to Sri Lanka, we would have tonked the All Blacks and South Africa respectively in rugby union, and we would not be relying on just one lone Scottish chappie to win something this year at Wimbledon for our country.

In other words, that bloody war could, in retrospect, be seen as the beginning of the end for a once great country.

I 'ad that Nigel Farage in the back of me cab once.................LOL


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:21
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


All that armour

Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football?


Surely garlic would be of more use?


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:32
The mere lack of existence of the religious right, and the fact that the world wouldn't have needed the word "soccer" but only "football", would have been two very desirable consequences of the the British having won. 

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:38
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

If we had won, we would be clear favourites to win the soccer World Cup, instead of a bunch of overpaid pansies being back home, we would not have lost a Test Series to Sri Lanka, we would have tonked the All Blacks and South Africa respectively in rugby union, and we would not be relying on just one lone Scottish chappie to win something this year at Wimbledon for our country.

In other words, that bloody war could, in retrospect, be seen as the beginning of the end for a once great country.

I 'ad that Nigel Farage in the back of me cab once.................LOL


'...nice bloke. Seems like you could have a pint with him.  Tells it how it is.....'

I don't think we would have won Wimbledon though.  Except maybe the ladies avec Williams Sisters.  

imagine the size of a portion of fish chips and mushy peas you'd get in a US British Colony or whatever.




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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:44
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The mere lack of existence of the religious right, and the fact that the world wouldn't have needed the word "soccer" but only "football", would have been two very desirable consequences of the the British having won. 


Yeah, cause Britain has no religious fundamentalists.    I don't think that would mean the religious right would not exist today. It would still be around and just as annoying as ever, I fear.

In the interests of civility and forum etiquette, I shall ignore your "football" comment.   

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:49
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:



imagine the size of a portion of fish chips and mushy peas you'd get in a US British Colony or whatever.


I've eaten "authentic" fisn'n'chips on Pier 39 in San Francisco ... the portion size was indeed ridiculous. However the fish was excellent with the batter light and perfectly cooked, the only disappointment was that the chips were "fries". Can't comment on whether mushy peas were present or not - I can't abide the revolting muck - it's baby food for adults.


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:54
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:



imagine the size of a portion of fish chips and mushy peas you'd get in a US British Colony or whatever.


I've eaten "authentic" fisn'n'chips on Pier 39 in San Francisco ... the portion size was indeed ridiculous. However the fish was excellent with the batter light and perfectly cooked, the only disappointment was that the chips were "fries". Can't comment on whether mushy peas were present or not - I can't abide the revolting muck - it's baby food for adults.


I get the feeling that there aren't 'portion sizes' in the US. Only limit is how much you can get on the plate. (so gravity). 




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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 11:59
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The mere lack of existence of the religious right, and the fact that the world wouldn't have needed the word "soccer" but only "football", would have been two very desirable consequences of the the British having won. 


Yeah, cause Britain has no religious fundamentalists.    I don't think that would mean the religious right would not exist today. It would still be around and just as annoying as ever, I fear.

In the interests of civility and forum etiquette, I shall ignore your "football" comment.   
As has been observed previously on this forum, "soccer" is public school* slang for Association Football to differentiate it from Rugby Football, which is abbreviated to "rugger" ... the toffs would have probably called North American Handegg "gridders" or something.

*Of course "public school" means "private school" such as Eton and Harrow.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 14:14
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


All that armour

Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football?


Surely garlic would be of more use?
Yeah, good point.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 14:33
I just can't imagine the food. Bangers and bloaters. Cock-a-leeky. I can't even imagine saying some names of the food dishes.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 27 2014 at 14:38
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Cock-a-leeky.


That's not food. That's an STD.

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Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 01:23
Eventually, as in the case of Australia, Canada, India, most of Africa. Sooner or later these colonies would have been given their own way. But I would imagine the borders would look different than today. Maybe British North America would be from the Atlantic coast to the Mississippi River.


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 02:05
^ maybe British North America would have been called South Canada or the West FalklandsShocked


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 14:24
We'd all have bad teeth, drive on the wrong side of the road, and eat everything boiled, curried or in some sort of glutinous gravy.

I shudder to think what sort of music we'd be listening to without the invention of blues, jazz or rock. Probably some ridiculous variant of burlesque.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 15:45
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

We'd all have bad teeth, drive on the wrong side of the road, and eat everything boiled, curried or in some sort of glutinous gravy.

I shudder to think what sort of music we'd be listening to without the invention of blues, jazz or rock. Probably some ridiculous variant of burlesque.
 
LOL
That about sounds right ......


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 16:05
...except burlesque as a popular musical entertainment is an American invention. Tongue

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 19:04
There would be less idiots masturbating themselves with guns though...

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 19:20
^Shocked  That's a thing?  Why would we want less of that if it is a thing?  I say let natural selection run its course.  

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 19:48
And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek

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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 20:07
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Cock-a-leeky.


That's not food. That's an STD.

Are you referring to British cuisine? Wink


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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 22:48
I imagine realistically: As the empire inevitably dissolved the USA would become like the other former colonies? Either part of the commonwealth, and eventually gaining full independence, or basically full independence but under the commonwealth. 

Pretty bland answer I know. 


I reckon we would also have cool variants of the British accent, though it wouldn't actually be pleasant to us in this world...just the norm. So actually that would suck! 


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 23:25
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
Always gets me

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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 23:45
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
u wot m8


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 30 2014 at 02:06
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek




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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 30 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
Always gets me


However, I'm sure you've got Dean beat when it comes to Spanish grammar.  ;)


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 30 2014 at 10:15
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
Always gets me


However, I'm sure you've got Dean beat when it comes to Spanish grammar.  ;)
Since I have never learnt Spanish and do not live in a Spanish speaking country, that is a foregone conclusion of no consequence. Wink


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Posted By: Hnrz
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 05:36
I'm pretty British, but I can't say I've ever eaten marrow. One rather positive outcome would be PA wouldn't tell me I'd misspelt things all the time, it's disconcerting.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 04 2014 at 22:24
Happy Fourth of July!! Beer

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 01:07
^ You're welcome  Tongue

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 01:51
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
Always gets me


However, I'm sure you've got Dean beat when it comes to Spanish grammar.  ;)

Less people would be using less instead of fewer would be using less? Tongue


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 01:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

And more people would know when to use "fewer" instead of "less" Geek
Always gets me


However, I'm sure you've got Dean beat when it comes to Spanish grammar.  ;)

Less people would be using less instead of fewer would be using less? Tongue
Fewer people would be using less.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 14:11
Far fewer people would be using less and in general destroying Dean's language. 

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 14:11
But immigrating to the British US would be a bitch. 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 05 2014 at 15:12
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

But immigrating to the British US would be a bitch. 
No more difficult than immigrating to British UK. Not so sure that immigrating to Spanish US or Mexican US would be a walk in the park though.


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