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    Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:29
what does it mean, in words like language, lineage, has it something to do with longevity, as long age, or lunge age, age of a line?
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Points: 23104 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:32
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Points: 20623 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:34
http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/suffix-age.htm
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:19
^ What he said.

It is a suffix that is added to a word to make a noun that describes the action of that word so 'language' the word root would be 'langu' which comes from 'lingua' (of the tongue) so language is an action created by the tongue, ie speech. 

Lineage is the action of a line and is not related to time.

Most words ending in -age entered into the English language from French, the equivalent Germanic suffix is -ing


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Garb.....age
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..exactly. Possibly from Garbe - the entrails of an animal - here the "age" would be the rarer a collective use so garbe-age would be a collection of entrails. Contrasting this with Silage ... meaning fodder in a silo 
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Mess... age
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 09:39
^Of course meaning that talking to people is too much of a mess so we shouldn't bother.
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Points: 7849 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 09:40
I sense there is now a pretty good understanding in this matter.

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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Mess... age
Simples. from the Latin Missus, to send (same root as missive) therefore a message is a something that you send. Tongue
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Points: 24297 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 10:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Mess... age

Simples. from the Latin Missus, to send (same root as missive) therefore a message is a something that you send. Tongue
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Points: 8856 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 10:02
LOL I like how Dean has become our etymology search engine in this thread.

Gar-age?

Your move, Dean. Wink


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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

LOL I like how Dean has become our etymology search engine in this thread.

Gar-age?

Your move, Dean. Wink
Prolly something to do with shelter, garret and garrison come to mind but I cannot think of the root word (I could look it up, then so could you). I suspect it is a relatively modern word (because I cannot think I've ever seen the word used in any other context), so it may just be an invented word that not have a clear etymology heritage.
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Most of them come from France as does garage
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Points: 24297 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 11:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

LOL I like how Dean has become our etymology search engine in this thread.

Gar-age?

Your move, Dean. Wink
Prolly something to do with shelter, garret and garrison come to mind but I cannot think of the root word (I could look it up, then so could you). I suspect it is a relatively modern word (because I cannot think I've ever seen the word used in any other context), so it may just be an invented word that not have a clear etymology heritage.

Maybe it is related to the French word gare (station)...
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Points: 8856 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2014 at 12:18
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

LOL I like how Dean has become our etymology search engine in this thread.

Gar-age?

Your move, Dean. Wink
Prolly something to do with shelter, garret and garrison come to mind but I cannot think of the root word (I could look it up, then so could you). I suspect it is a relatively modern word (because I cannot think I've ever seen the word used in any other context), so it may just be an invented word that not have a clear etymology heritage.
I looked it up before I wrote it. Tongue

Originally posted by Wiktionary Wiktionary wrote:


Borrowing from French garage (“keeping under cover, protection, shelter”), derivative of French garer (“to keep under cover, dock, shunt, guard, keep”), from Middle French garer, garrer, guerrer; partly from Old French garir, warir (from Old Frankish *warjan); and partly from Old French varer (“to fight, defend oneself, protect”), from Old Norse varask (“to defend oneself”), reflexive of vara (“to ware, watch out, defend”); both ultimately from Proto-Germanic *warjaną (“to defend, ward off”), *warōną (“to watch, protect”), from Proto-Indo-European *wer- (“to close, cover, protect, save, defend”).
Not actually from Latin, so I was wondering if the "age" rule applied to a French word with a non-Latin root. Sort of in the vein of the previous few comments writing words to which they thought the rule might not apply. 
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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2014 at 19:07
It's a common feature for the so-called "Latin languages" (Romance or Romanic or Neo-Latin languages). Compare: voyage (French), viaggio (Italian), viagem (Portuguese), viaje (Spanish).

The suffix or ending -age entered English via French as mentioned above. Actually this ending comprises a couple of Latin suffixes: -aticum (viaticum, hence viaggio, voyage, etc), -inis (cartilaginis), etc.
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Points: 8856 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2014 at 21:33
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

It's a common feature for the so-called "Latin languages" (Romance or Romanic or Neo-Latin languages). Compare: voyage (French), viaggio (Italian), viagem (Portuguese), viaje (Spanish).

The suffix or ending -age entered English via French as mentioned above. Actually this ending comprises a couple of Latin suffixes: -aticum (viaticum, hence viaggio, voyage, etc), -inis (cartilaginis), etc.
This answers my question, as well, actually. Thanks! Big smile
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Store + age = Storage

I always think of -age as conveying a mass collection of things as above (a collection of things that have been stored, but that's not always the case:

e.g. Stop + age = Stoppage, Break + age = Breakage, Leak + age = Leakage, Slip + age = Slippage
these all seem to pertain to a location of interest on or within some object.

Awhile back we had a productive use of -age: Tune + age = Tunage. A collection of tunes that someone has on hand. This example adds -age to something that's already a noun (I say that because the verb form does not seem to be as relevant). However, the same may have happened with 'baggage' or 'package', although 'bag' and 'pack' can be verbs too. It doesn't work for 'package', but notice that 'baggage' is never a single bag. It is a collection of bags that one has on hand.

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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Store + age = Storage 

I always think of it as conveying a mass collection of things,
Partially, adding -age to an existing noun or verb converts it to a mass noun (ie a non-count noun) so in a sense it is a mass collection because it converts the word store into an object that cannot be counted. This means it does not have a plural form, you can say that a closet has storage or lots of storage or some storage but you would not say it has a storage or 5 storages.

Adding "-age" to "store" produces a mass noun that describes the action of the word store ("stores are for storage", "this store has lots of storage")
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

but that's not always the case: 

e.g. Stop + age = Stoppage, Break + age = Breakage, Leak + age = Leakage, Slip + age = Slippage 
these all seem to pertain to a location of interest on or within some object.
They are all nouns that describe still the action of the root word. Stoppage is the act of stopping; Breakage is the act of breaking ...etc. 

Stoppage, Breakage, Leakage and Slippage can be either mass nouns (there has been some breakage) or count nouns, usually when used in the past tense (there were 5 breakages).

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:


Awhile back we had a productive use of -age: Tune + age = Tunage. A collection of tunes that someone has on hand. This example adds -age to something that's already a noun (I say that because the verb form does not seem to be as relevant).
Even though tuneage is a made-up hipster slang word and is a somewhat artificial creation of a mass noun, it still follows the form of converting the word "tune" into a mass noun by describing the (admittedly abstract) action of a tune.

Unfortunately that doesn't necessarily work with all hep slang words ending age, such as foodage (a mass noun but not really the action of food), but does work with drinkage, eatage and munchage.

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

However, the same may have happened with 'baggage' or 'package', although 'bag' and 'pack' can be verbs too.
Baggage is the the act of bagging, package is the act of packing - both are mass nouns that can also be count-nouns (you could add luggage too, and amusingly enough, that really does mean the act of lugging).
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