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Knobby 
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Posted: June 17 2013 at 21:57 |
"....soon right away,right away."
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richardh
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:35 |
Prog still inspires such bitterness all these years later.
Ask yourself the question - why are so many journalists apparently so fearfull of prog they have to keep bashing it after all these years?'
The potential answers don't reflect badly on prog but give you a clue as to why people are frightened of things they cannot control (or understand).
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:46 |
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Considering the other popular forms of rock - pop, metal, punk, folkrock, etc. - the only thing that makes sense is that most music journalists believe rock should always be what it usually is, which is to say straightforward, generally blues-based, and absorbed in pop culture. Whether this indicates a fear and discomfort, or a genuine belief in tradition is unclear. And where all those Tull and Yes and Floyd fans have gone I have no idea. I do know many still listen to idiots like Sting and John Mayer.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 02:09 |
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No surprises here: Rob Sheffield used to write for Blender.
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Second Life Syndrome
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 05:20 |
Wow, bias is journalism. Who knew? 
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:04 |
Had a few good laughs reading this.
First of all, this dude, Rob Sheffield, is a contributing editor to Rolling Stone, a magazine widely known for knowing absolutely squat about prog - let alone any real experimental music. Ohh dang I forgot about Trout Mask Replica which they obviously heralded as one of the greatest albums of the 20th century................sound confusing yet?
This line made me chuggle though: At one point, Peter Gabriel is praised as the bluesiest of prog singers, which is like calling Betty White the fiercest arm-wrestler on “The Golden Girls.”
Sorta like praising Rolling Stone as the essential guide to rock music, which is like calling Ben Stiller a sublime method actor.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:10 |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:13 |
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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refugee
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 07:17 |
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Don’t mess with Mr. Sheffield! He’s serious about his karaoke:
“One of the things I love about karaoke is that you can’t just dip your
toe into it,” he said. “You have to put yourself out there.”
Unlike prog musicians who just dip their toes into the music, I guess.
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
(Peter Hammill)
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 07:23 |
I love this guy 
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 08:25 |
He says:
Lovingly packaged and designed, “Yes Is the Answer” is a paper treehouse for gentlemen of a certain age, a safe place to embrace a shared teenage fantasy of adult sagacity they can now re-access as an adult fantasy of innocent youth. And yes (so to speak), the writers are mostly men.
SO am I getting the impression he does not really know the genre at all? Inform yourself editor-Rolling Stone writer!
Rolling Stone rarely give Prog a good rap anyway and shoud probably be avoided if this is an exampleof its writers.
"Even after all these years, prog remains one of the most intrinsically silly of rock fads: concept albums, ornate time signatures, keyboard solos, lyrical ruminations on the tendency of mountains to fall out of the sky."
Very noble of you, sir
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 18 2013 at 08:27
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Hercules
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:52 |
Do I actually care a pig's burp about this ignorant f**kwit's opinion?
Let me think a bit. Well the answer's still no, however long I think.
I love prog; I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If he doesn't, that's his loss, not mine.
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CPicard
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:56 |
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lazland
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:57 |
 Hercules wrote:
Do I actually care a pig's burp about this ignorant f**kwit's opinion?
Let me think a bit. Well the answer's still no, however long I think.
I love prog; I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If he doesn't, that's his loss, not mine. |
Post of the year. Who gives a f@@k about idiots like this?
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 16:04 |
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I notice the article does not give one the option of posting a reply. Most likely because someone like me would comment on Mr. Sheffield's decidedly limp wristed foray into karaoke and its incongruity with professional musicianship and criticism thereof. Rather like Robert Christgau giving King Crimson and Yes albums C and D grades while giving rap albums or New York Dolls releases an A+. Anyone connected with Rolling Stone Magazine should be garroted with a guitar string.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 16:21 |
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"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 17:22 |
Atavachron wrote:
Considering the other popular forms of rock - pop, metal, punk, folkrock, etc. - the only thing that makes sense is that most music journalists believe rock should always be what it usually is, which is to say straightforward, generally blues-based, and absorbed in pop culture. Whether this indicates a fear and discomfort, or a genuine belief in tradition is unclear. And where all those Tull and Yes and Floyd fans have gone I have no idea. I do know many still listen to idiots like Sting and John Mayer.
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Heh....low blow to call Sting and Mayer idiots....Sting is a very good bass player and wrote some solid stuff with The Police and Mayer, while he can be a real jerk at times, is a very good guitar player.
Lets save the idiot remarks for those who really deserve it...like say, Metallicaca.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 17:28 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
I notice the article does not give one the option of posting a reply. Most likely because someone like me would comment on Mr. Sheffield's decidedly limp wristed foray into karaoke and its incongruity with professional musicianship and criticism thereof. Rather like Robert Christgau giving King Crimson and Yes albums C and D grades while giving rap albums or New York Dolls releases an A+. Anyone connected with Rolling Stone Magazine should be garroted with a guitar string.
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I have 2 of the older Rolling Stone record guides that came out over 25 years ago and believe it or not they gave Yes, Crimson and a few other prog bands decent reviews on their lp's. It all depends on who's doing the review.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
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cstack3
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 18:47 |
lazland wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Do I actually care a pig's burp about this ignorant f**kwit's opinion?
Let me think a bit. Well the answer's still no, however long I think.
I love prog; I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If he doesn't, that's his loss, not mine. |
Post of the year. Who gives a f@@k about idiots like this? |
Hear hear!
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presdoug
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 18:54 |
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I hate Rolling Stone, so i am not surprised this moron is connected with them.
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