"Bash on, give your bile to somebody..."
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Topic: "Bash on, give your bile to somebody..."
Posted By: Knobby
Subject: "Bash on, give your bile to somebody..."
Date Posted: June 17 2013 at 21:57
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"....soon right away,right away."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/books/review/yes-is-the-answer-and-other-prog-rock-tales.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/books/review/yes-is-the-answer-and-other-prog-rock-tales.html?_r=2 &
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:35
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Prog still inspires such bitterness all these years later. Ask yourself the question - why are so many journalists apparently so fearfull of prog they have to keep bashing it after all these years?' The potential answers don't reflect badly on prog but give you a clue as to why people are frightened of things they cannot control (or understand).
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:46
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Considering the other popular forms of rock - pop, metal, punk, folkrock, etc. - the only thing that makes sense is that most music journalists believe rock should always be what it usually is, which is to say straightforward, generally blues-based, and absorbed in pop culture. Whether this indicates a fear and discomfort, or a genuine belief in tradition is unclear. And where all those Tull and Yes and Floyd fans have gone I have no idea. I do know many still listen to idiots like Sting and John Mayer. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 02:09
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No surprises here: Rob Sheffield used to write for Blender. |
Posted By: Second Life Syndrome
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 05:20
Wow, bias is journalism. Who knew?  ------------- theprogmind.com |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:04
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Had a few good laughs reading this. First of all, this dude, Rob Sheffield, is a contributing editor to Rolling Stone, a magazine widely known for knowing absolutely squat about prog - let alone any real experimental music. Ohh dang I forgot about Trout Mask Replica which they obviously heralded as one of the greatest albums of the 20th century................sound confusing yet? This line made me chuggle though: At one point, Peter Gabriel is praised as the bluesiest of prog singers, which is like calling Betty White the fiercest arm-wrestler on “The Golden Girls.” Sorta like praising Rolling Stone as the essential guide to rock music, which is like calling Ben Stiller a sublime method actor.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:10
Pot? Kettle? 
'nuff said ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
The contributors are not necessarily adept at music criticism, nor fluent in its argumentsPosted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:13
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------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 07:17
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Don’t mess with Mr. Sheffield! He’s serious about his karaoke: “One of the things I love about karaoke is that you can’t just dip your toe into it,” he said. “You have to put yourself out there.” Unlike prog musicians who just dip their toes into the music, I guess. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 07:23
I love this guy ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 08:25
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He says: Lovingly packaged and designed, “Yes Is the Answer” is a paper treehouse for gentlemen of a certain age, a safe place to embrace a shared teenage fantasy of adult sagacity they can now re-access as an adult fantasy of innocent youth. And yes (so to speak), the writers are mostly men. SO am I getting the impression he does not really know the genre at all? Inform yourself editor-Rolling Stone writer! Rolling Stone rarely give Prog a good rap anyway and shoud probably be avoided if this is an exampleof its writers. "Even after all these years, prog remains one of the most intrinsically silly of rock fads: concept albums, ornate time signatures, keyboard solos, lyrical ruminations on the tendency of mountains to fall out of the sky." Very noble of you, sir
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:52
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Do I actually care a pig's burp about this ignorant f**kwit's opinion?
Let me think a bit. Well the answer's still no, however long I think.
I love prog; I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If he doesn't, that's his loss, not mine. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:56
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Oh, by the way: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94020" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94020 |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:57
Post of the year. Who gives a f@@k about idiots like this? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 16:04
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I notice the article does not give one the option of posting a reply. Most likely because someone like me would comment on Mr. Sheffield's decidedly limp wristed foray into karaoke and its incongruity with professional musicianship and criticism thereof. Rather like Robert Christgau giving King Crimson and Yes albums C and D grades while giving rap albums or New York Dolls releases an A+. Anyone connected with Rolling Stone Magazine should be garroted with a guitar string. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 16:21
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"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - Frank Zappa ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 17:22
Heh....low blow to call Sting and Mayer idiots....Sting is a very good bass player and wrote some solid stuff with The Police and Mayer, while he can be a real jerk at times, is a very good guitar player.
Lets save the idiot remarks for those who really deserve it...like say, Metallicaca.
 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 17:28
I have 2 of the older Rolling Stone record guides that came out over 25 years ago and believe it or not they gave Yes, Crimson and a few other prog bands decent reviews on their lp's. It all depends on who's doing the review. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 18:47
Hear hear!  |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: June 18 2013 at 18:54
| I hate Rolling Stone, so i am not surprised this moron is connected with them. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 00:39
They are getting slightly better. They conducted some reader polls that were connected to prog recently, and when Rush was inducted into the hall of fame, their coverage was surprisingly positive (Jann Wenner can hardly allow one of his institutions to criticize the other, can he?). The problem, of course, is that none of their writers listen to prog, so they pretty much ignore it in their lists. Even Pitchfork are better than that (I remember their "best albums of the 70s" list having some King Crimson, Can and Pink Floyd, and even giving a honorable mention to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:04
I saw Sting four, no, five times between 87 and 93. Dream of the Blue Turtles tour was brilliant but things got progressively worse with each performance, having gutted his brilliant Blue Turtles band and utterly lost his way as an important song writer. Good bass player, yes, wrote some solid stuff, yes. Saw Mayer too, he opened for Stevie Nicks in 2001. He was what he is supposed to be, a sentimental dork with delusions of godhood. Yeah Metallica are idiots but the metal scene was largely composed of idiots, it would've been nothing without them. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:39
I like Ten Summoner's Tales. I don't hear a massive difference between this and Steely Dan's Aja tbh. I also like the last two Police albums. All happily sit on my I-pod.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 02:09
| ^ yeah Summoner's was decent |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 03:05
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I could read this article with a friendly smile. I recognized something of myself in the black-light initiated 70's adolescent male devotee looking for shelter. Moreover, I don't expect any understanding of prog from someone who spent his teens rubbing himself in with 80's excrements. ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 05:10
He was : Too Young to Rock´'n´'Roll, and Tooooo old tooo dance. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:09
"We're all very practical here because this is a practical world  . Also, I'm probably an unhappy, cynical b*****d."
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:21
The hardest thing to teach all you guys about stuff like this ... is the old adage, that was called the "deep throat" thing in the old days ... and you know what that means? SHUT UP! This is what made a couple of films famous ... the church talking and condemning it, and everyone went to see it to see what the hoopla was all about! The more the church condemned it the more millions the film made! How intelligent for the church to help the devil make the money, hey? Whose side is the church on, anyway? Morons like that, don't even know music! Arsenic-holes like that have no idea that if Yes and Genesis was weed, that the bands he liked were on Coke ... of course, he was also given some from the girls in the bandwagon ... so he can say nice things. On top of it, his music knowledge is stupid ... like none of that has ever been done in classical music, or any other music or jazz ... but it tells you how screwed up the media is, in making sure that the top ten sells and nothing else does ... by trashing it senseless ... and we're too ducking stupid, to ignore it! Let it die ... please remove the link and drop the story ... it's not worth the discussion ... and as my dad used to say ... DIRT BELONGS UNDER YOUR FEET! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:23
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Posted By: janyolter
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 08:50
I really love this guy 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:02
No worries. I have no illusions or delusions about teachers, including myself. The sad part is, that you will never be able to see the pearls amidst all the swine that you think you see! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:28
Oh...I deleted that post because I thought I was being too rude. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 09:47
Mosh, it’s not that I disagree with your views on the review, but why do you tell us to shut up, while it’s OK for you to discuss it?  ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 10:46
THIS. The Sheffield guy writing this doesn't know misery and isolation and self hatred. At least that's what my infinite love of Prog rock feeds from. I'm gonna go feel sad and drink a smoothie... Someday... Prog rock will come back. Maybe the masses will get sick of hearing the same god damn song year after year. I feel like music in the mainstream has not changed one bit since the year 2000, when hip hop started being just as popular as Britney Spears. God it's all evil. I hate it all. I am afraid that I want the world to burn. We are nothing but heaps of trash waiting to die anyway. I hate music. But oh man I love this website :D ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 11:29
Prog is back. What should the mainstream matter to us? The music is there. It serves a purpose (albeit a pretty trivial one). Prog is thriving, experimental music is thriving, rock and roll is thriving, all of them are thriving on the internet, in local music scenes - and above all, in the hearts and minds of the people who love them. If anything, quality rock music is becoming more and more like folk music - kind of a folk music for the masses, if you will. That might be a very good thing. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 12:41
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Black Light?! No.
We used this: 
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 13:05
You're very right on that. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:03
| http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-yes-is-the-answer-prog-rock-20130616,0,1163211.story" rel="nofollow - http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-yes-is-the-answer-prog-rock-20130616,0,1163211.story |
Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:13
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Top German Dual turntable there, Svetonio. I dont care what guff audiofools feed you about megabucks turntables - that's a fine Dual! I have 4 Duals, and that model is one of them. http://s151.photobucket.com/user/baggra/media/Bitco/psych/christmasfinger.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 14:16
Now that's a good article. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 15:00
Yea, Dual was great. I had Thorens. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 15:03
I agree. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 15:45
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 16:43
Words of wisdom. I have never apologized for loving prog, and I never will. And it’s totally bs that prog stands in the way for love affairs. In my student days, I knew a beautiful, intelligent and witty girl called Mette (she studied geology). I taught her bridge and prog, and while listening to Pawn Hearts one evening, she said that if she could compose music, that kind of music was what she would have made. And a punk girl, who obviously had a crush on me, said that she hated Genesis, but she loved it when I played The Cinema Show and Ripples on the guitar. She also bragged about being able to play in 15/8 on drums. How pretentious is that? As Mosh has already pointed out, the punks used at least as much drugs as the prog fans. I also see this argument about the silly outfits. Like the punks wore less silly outfits themselves. And for some reason or other, many of them seem to love Bowie. OK, ref, time for bed. ------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 18:57
And that's without considering how much makeup KISS has put on through the years.
 There's going to be some ridiculous sterotypes in every music genre. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 19 2013 at 23:10
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Pretentious article.
------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Second Life Syndrome
Date Posted: June 22 2013 at 20:12
The guys at work are always poking fun at me for liking prog. You know, while they are listening to rap. ------------- theprogmind.com |