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moshkito 
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18170 |
 Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:20 |
Let's make a suggestion here ... it will be a lot better, if you stop thinking in terms of "prog" or "progressive" or ... "poop" ... ooopppppssss ... "pop music"! What you are suggesting is an idea to make this just another top ten, and close down the ideas and concepts that helped create both progressive, and later prog, which were, above all, about changing the history of the medium and its process ... The weird part? ... you are trying to pin down a process, for something that originally started without one ... it's like you sitting here and trying to define Stravinsky ... next to everyone else in music. Stop being silly! A lot of those terms are used to help identify some things ... and yeah ... long cuts is one ... but the problem is when you say that you are not defining if the long cut is an opera, a symphony, or a concerto ... and you are only thinking of it as a "song" ... and not everyone writes "songs" ... and your ideas get distorted and dismantled, and in school, you will get a D for effort in the time you took to think it out, but an F for the work you put together, because it means that you missed, misunderstood, and misapplied music history! The progressive thing, will YET make a name for itself ... but not for what it did do ... more like ... what it didn't do, which was ... follow convention in most forms! Let's just say, for dialogue's sakes ... that it was anti-social ... and specially anti-socialist as the media likes to make everything and tell you what to like and not like!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18170 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:21 |
Pres ... I thought it was for ProgArchives!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com |
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator 
Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:28 |
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You might be prog if you take your shoes off.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:29 |
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You might be prog if you pull down your Larks' Tongues In Aspic pants ... and people will see Tubular Bells underwear.
Oops ... Not that kind of thread.
Also, ... wish there was a subsection in the "Creating New Threads" rubric that would recommend not to create threads on certain topics like "what's the definition of prog" (since it's a tried subject). |
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18170 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:35 |
If you read this, you will find that the only thing that Wiki can do is try to find a way to describe something in terms that are "known". There is a problem with that definition ... and you need to start with a big "why" to yourself ... would you do something that someone else wants, instead of describing how you feel? Or, let me ask you ... your "I love you" to your significant other is completely meaningless, because it doesn't have any individuality or honesty, because YES and JETHRO TULL did it differently and you are not smart enough to do it in your own way, and then say it ... on top of it, you are not strong enough to be yourself ... you have to quote someone else! Or the Bible! Or the Koran! or the Popol Vuh! Or the Bardo! There is no such thing as "exxagerated" anything ... there is only expression and emotion ... and some cry harder than the others, and some don't give a merde! Now, grow up and realize that what Wiki is doing is giving the masses more garbage, to make them stupid'er ... rather than enhance their ability to know and learn ... because they do not want the "public" to learn to love "progressive" ... because if they did, you will immediately have another revolution, because we do not want to do things, just because you told me to do it this way or that way! WTF ... the man on the moon never happened, VietNam was just another movie. The IRA was just another bad Cambridge/Oxford joke. The world doesn't turn, because it's flat! That's almost exactly what that article is telling you about "progressive" anything ... there is no basis in the life of people, that created the artistic scene, which btw, did not happen just in music ... it also happened in film, television, writing, painting and several other art forms that Wiki, and many other folks refuse to acknowledge. In other words, truth and the world, never happened! If you want to learn, what "progressive" is all about, you will see how that paragraph is so ethnocentric, so xenophobic and so malicious, as to state, that you have to be a moron to have any kind of feeling or opinion in your life. How socialist of you to be told to shut up and conform! And you call that "freedom"? Why can't it just be ... and LET IT BE? Edited by moshkito - March 31 2013 at 12:40 |
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18170 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:43 |
You absolutely crazy and silly turkey ... you're competing with my Madonna underware! (To hide the gay-ness, of course!) (mis...pelling intended!) Goodness ... but I really would love to have a nice pair of those buccaneer boots that Chris Squire used to wear, the ones that went to mid-thigh .... because those you could call ... BOOTS ... for walking and kicking butt!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:46 |
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To be is to honey scoobie doobie flat minor in excelsis glory glory halley bopp bop a looby looby loo bam blam cha-cha.
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Dayvenkirq
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Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:48 |
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^ Interesting ... What show is that from?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 31 2013 at 12:48 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 12:53 |
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Television, the drug of the Nation
Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation |
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 13:10 |
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Humans don't categorize things by fitting them into a definition. They categorize things according to their similarity with other things. In this way, categories are ever-expanding and malleable because every time something is absorbed into a category (because it was similar to the other things in the category) it opens the door to more things being added that are similar to it and less similar to the original group included in the category.
Ergo, it's impossible to define prog. A certain act is considered "prog" only because it is similar to a group of bands that were similar to a group of bands that were similar too...all on down the line until you get to the original group of progressive rock bands in the 70's. |
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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sukmytoe
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Joined: March 18 2013 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 291 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:21 |
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Heh heh - reading back
 . Human kind likes to put things in boxes with other similar things - that's kind of the way the human mind is wired. With music and me it's all about the journey with the music itself and with the travels the music can take me on - or not. Lady Gaga takes me on a journey alright - right out of earshot of her. I don't like pop music generally as I'm a long way from being a teeny bopper and simplistic things don't appeal to me. If I spool up a track and find that that track takes me to places in my head, good or bad places it doesn't matter much - then that music to me is prog music. It could be said that classical music has the effect of carrying people on mind journeys but then I percieve personally that the old classical music is far closer to prog music as we know it than it is to bubbly pop music. I could spool up 1812 by Tchaikovsky just as easily as I could Supper's Ready by Genesis but I could not spool up any of the myriad of pop bands out there today - I would feel kind of self let down doing that and I would have a very unpleasant half hour or so listening to drivel that people like Cowell make a fortune out of marketing to millions of airheads who purely want a pleasant jingle to get them through the day. Things like Jazz, the Blues, Classical music, Progressive Rock Music in its many forms are not things that Airheads would like to listen to - there is a huge difference between reading a novel and reading an Archie comic book and that is kind of the way I look at music. Personally I'm not overly fond of Classical music or Hardcore Jazz and so I get my eargasm kicks from what I define to be prog rock or prog metal music - I don't really care what the powers that be here at PA define to be prog music as I have my own definition and I trust my own mind to tell me what I think. PA has got most of it right and thus I'm a fan of the site (it's great) - I just mustn't get started on the Stratovarius thing, heh heh, because it seems to get some people here and me steamed up somewhat.
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ProgressiveMike
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Joined: December 21 2012 Location: ColoradoSprings Status: Offline Points: 44 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:33 |
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yes, all prog bands I listen to share those qualities. There are several non prog bands that share some of the aformentioned qualities, but not all, and are in fact pop, rock, or metal bands (by admission). There is so far no group I can specifically name that recognizes themselves as a prog act and do not meet the criteria listed, as is there no specific music act I can think of that is not a prog act and meets all the criteria listed. That being said I think the list is hilarious and i'm quite proud of it. It's not as though the list has been fabricated to ensure Stacanova or I only listen to prog. In fact the two of us enjoy a wide variety of music that could not be considered prog. We have merely been in the midst of a 9 month prog kick spurred on by our love of music and discovery of new bands, producers, artists, albums, etc. And all you citing jazz and classical artists; very pretentious. Prog on. Furthermore to those who have cited that jazz and classical artists/composers are prog, you are correct, (say for Miles Davis, but not for say Kenny G) but prog in this case is meant to mean "progressive rock music" not "any progressive music." Just like on the DGM website, you may order a variety of prog music and music by artists who have been in prog bands, but you can also order music and merchandise by Primus, who may have prog tendancies but could only have several songs or an album considerd to be bonafide prog rock. They're also not pretentious. Anyway we were jsut discussing it, we came up with the theory, so if you can disprove it with SPECIFIC examples of PROGRESSIVE ROCK that does not fit the formula or other rock music that does, post it up please. We have also been discussing the creation of a prog fan dating website, but the prevailing theory is that only men would join. :( |
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Dean
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:45 |
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No, it's just you. We just grow tired of it.
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stacanova
Forum Newbie 
Joined: July 02 2012 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:09 |
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Wow!
This is awkward....our little top 5 list was meant to be something fun, I didn't mean to challenge anyones political or self views.
It is just a theory from a discussion. An unproven theory I was hoping someone on this forum could lend their prog rock expertise to.
Not trying to box anyone or any band up.
Viva la resistance!
I think we all categorize things, if we like it or not, it's kind of a "human" thing, I don't think animals do it, but I could be wrong (don't want to upset anyone).
So does anyone have any examples?
Besides Styx?
I think they are on the cusp of prog, but not prog, I could be wrong once again, but I don't recall them using that many odd time signatures, any big Styx fans on here that can shed some light?
Thanks
Everyone is important and everyone's opinion matters, that is until I come to power!
Just kidding, sort of...
BTW, Happy Easter and Passover everyone!!!
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:53 |
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False. You know you're prog when the Rolling Stone Magazine hates you.
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:05 |
Well you certainly got a reaction, an over reaction. I could see that your post wasn't entirely serious but it was fun to watch.
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