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ProgMetaller2112 
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 Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:38 |
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^^^ What are you trying to prove by hounding me every damn thread, just stop it already, this is between me and Ian. I know I know that you have thought about this and put it into your stubborn heads.This only proves my point that music is objective that it's all left to individual preference, Ian however is twisting things around yet again. Have you heard the saying that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" well the same goes for music.
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:33 |
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^ What are you trying to prove with math and stats?
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:28 |
 Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Feisty, Nogbad. Who cares about what others have to say. So by your logic Rush and or Genesis is better than KC. Since they get better reviews and higher ratings? You cannot create a double standard there. You get me. I love how you took the time to bring in a chart  .P.S.Rush's albums have a higher rating and are better reviewed than KC's  . We all know Rush is better by your logic |
Ok, point 1, this is a Yes - KC thread so Genesis & Rush aren't relevant.
Point 2 (and remember you brought this up) I decided to check your logic on Rush & Genesis so I compared the top 5 albums by all three bands across PA, Gnosis & RYM.
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. |
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Progarchives |
Gnosis |
Rateyourmusic |
| Hemispheres |
4.37 |
10.86 |
3.94 |
| Moving Pictures |
4.40 |
10.98 |
4 |
| 2112 |
4.07 |
10.27 |
3.85 |
| Farewell To The Kings |
4.34 |
10.51 |
3.91 |
| Permanent Waves |
4.31 |
10.69 |
3.93 |
| Average |
4.30 |
10.66 |
3.93 |
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| LTiA |
4.38 |
12.97 |
4.06 |
| Red |
4.51 |
12.55 |
4.22 |
| ITCOTCK |
4.58 |
12.95 |
4.3 |
| Lizard |
4.1 |
12.21 |
3.72 |
| Discipline |
4.09 |
11.16 |
3.89 |
| Average |
4.33 |
12.37 |
4.04 |
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| Nursery Cryme |
4.41 |
12.36 |
3.95 |
| Foxtrot |
4.60 |
12.68 |
4.04 |
| SEBTP |
4.62 |
12.74 |
4.10 |
| TLLDOB |
4.27 |
11.84 |
4.01 |
| ATOTT |
4.26 |
10.93 |
3.86 |
| Average |
4.43 |
12.11 |
3.99 |
This clearly shows that across these three sites that are well respected for their ratings (PA & RYM for the literally thousands of people inputting ratings & Gnosis for its expert opinions)
1. Genesis is the most highly rated on PA with KC & Rush tied for second
2. KC has the highest rating on RYM but all three are essentially so close to be a three way tie
3. Gnosis rates KC first, Genesis second & Rush a distant third which I don't find surprising given Gnosis leanings.
So in summary KC and Genesis are similarly compared with Rush slightly lower rated. This does not surprise me given the general feel I get from all three sources.
So no I do not accept your premise that Rush are clearly better than KC as I cannot find any reputable source who rate Rush higher. |
Ian, I was talking about the entire discography not certain albums. Take a look and I think you would be surprised and I have yet to find any ratings on Gnosis(I probably haven't checked right but I haven't found any). I love how you clearly thought this out and took the time to make it
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 05 2013 at 19:33
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:27 |
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King Crimson. I never warmed up to Yes very much.
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iamathousandapples
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 10:58 |
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KC has a more consistent discography than Yes. KC definitely
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 10:51 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Feisty, Nogbad. Who cares about what others have to say. So by your logic Rush and or Genesis is better than KC. Since they get better reviews and higher ratings? You cannot create a double standard there. You get me. I love how you took the time to bring in a chart .P.S.Rush's albums have a higher rating and are better reviewed than KC's . We all know Rush is better by your logic |
Ok, point 1, this is a Yes - KC thread so Genesis & Rush aren't relevant.
Point 2 (and remember you brought this up) I decided to check your logic on Rush & Genesis so I compared the top 5 albums by all three bands across PA, Gnosis & RYM.
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. |
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Progarchives |
Gnosis |
Rateyourmusic |
| Hemispheres |
4.37 |
10.86 |
3.94 |
| Moving Pictures |
4.40 |
10.98 |
4 |
| 2112 |
4.07 |
10.27 |
3.85 |
| Farewell To The Kings |
4.34 |
10.51 |
3.91 |
| Permanent Waves |
4.31 |
10.69 |
3.93 |
| Average |
4.30 |
10.66 |
3.93 |
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| LTiA |
4.38 |
12.97 |
4.06 |
| Red |
4.51 |
12.55 |
4.22 |
| ITCOTCK |
4.58 |
12.95 |
4.3 |
| Lizard |
4.1 |
12.21 |
3.72 |
| Discipline |
4.09 |
11.16 |
3.89 |
| Average |
4.33 |
12.37 |
4.04 |
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| Nursery Cryme |
4.41 |
12.36 |
3.95 |
| Foxtrot |
4.60 |
12.68 |
4.04 |
| SEBTP |
4.62 |
12.74 |
4.10 |
| TLLDOB |
4.27 |
11.84 |
4.01 |
| ATOTT |
4.26 |
10.93 |
3.86 |
| Average |
4.43 |
12.11 |
3.99 |
This clearly shows that across these three sites that are well respected for their ratings (PA & RYM for the literally thousands of people inputting ratings & Gnosis for its expert opinions)
1. Genesis is the most highly rated on PA with KC & Rush tied for second
2. KC has the highest rating on RYM but all three are essentially so close to be a three way tie
3. Gnosis rates KC first, Genesis second & Rush a distant third which I don't find surprising given Gnosis leanings.
So in summary KC and Genesis are similarly compared with Rush slightly lower rated. This does not surprise me given the general feel I get from all three sources.
So no I do not accept your premise that Rush are clearly better than KC as I cannot find any reputable source who rate Rush higher.
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - March 05 2013 at 10:54
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Ian
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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Melomaniac
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 08:07 |
In an uncertain world, it's good to know that some things never change !!! 
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Melomaniac
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 07:58 |
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Due to the awful Yes albums since the 80's (with a few notable exceptions) and King Crimson's consistency in releasing great albums throughout their forty + years career AND for always finding ways to sound modern or even ahead of their time (even on The Power to Believe, one of my faves), King Crimson gets my vote easily. Of course I LOVE the albums from the classic Yes period though, Gates of Delirium being one of my favorite prog epics ever...
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 05:54 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ This only shows that you don't know anything about Ian's logic. |
Andrey, stop hounding me out here. Geesh, I know nothing of Ian's logic. Get over it we all have our opinions on certain bands and albums. I just thought it was ludicrous that he brought in some of the albums that he mentioned. He started all of this |
I started all this? Here is your quote that started all this:-
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
I don't see why that's funny. Tales beats anything KC ever did |
I just quoted a bunch of albums that by general consensus are better that TFTO. You need to stop stating things as facts and rolling around on the floor when anyone contradicts you. It's your opinion that TFTO is better than anything KC ever did, and the majority of prog fans do not agree with you so you are in the minority. There is therefore no need use rolling on the floor icons.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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snowsnow
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 03:18 |
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Yes by a first round knockout.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 01:51 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I'm a straight dude; I don't kiss other dudes. Nor do I put on make up. Now, my stepdaddy's dog ... I would kiss her.
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Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 05 2013 at 01:55
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Jonathan
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:07 |
They are two of my favorite Prog Bands so it would be a tie for me.
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"Do not do to others as you don't want done to yourself."- Confucius
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Kati
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:04 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I'm a straight dude; I don't kiss other dudes. Nor do I put on make up. Now, my stepdaddy's dog ... I would kiss her.
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Awwww your stepdaddy's dog awww what you said is this is too precious really  
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:00 |
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^ I'm a straight dude; I don't kiss other dudes. Nor do I put on make up. Now, my stepdaddy's dog ... I would kiss her.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 04 2013 at 23:02
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Kati
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:58 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^ What are you talking about, he's talking about reviews and ratings here. On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC and he's twisting things around. That I don't get. Stop hounding me, Andrey. First, one thread than another. Just stop it, already.
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Where did you get the idea that "those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC"?
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Dayvenkirq, recent band due to internet have many fans who will vote/rate their favorite band, thus it is possible that they have more ratings compared to KC, in the long run only time will tell if they will continue with higher ratings one thing is true, KC has stood the test of time and to date they are whoohaaaaa incredible/unique both of you made a good point, now kiss and make up umphf!!! 
Edited by Kati - March 04 2013 at 22:58
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:57 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^ What are you talking about, he's talking about reviews and ratings here. On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC and he's twisting things around. That I don't get. Stop hounding me, Andrey. First, one thread than another. Just stop it, already.
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Where did you get the idea that "those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC"?
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On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. I took the liberty of adding and dividing all of these band's album and they all pointed to that. Your being a smartass aren't you. You know what I'm talking about. |
No, I don't. So, maybe King Crimson are not doing so well according to your weird stats. What does that prove?
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:52 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^ What are you talking about, he's talking about reviews and ratings here. On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC and he's twisting things around. That I don't get. Stop hounding me, Andrey. First, one thread than another. Just stop it, already.
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Where did you get the idea that "those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC"?
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On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. I took the liberty of adding and dividing all of these band's album and they all pointed to that. Your being a smartass aren't you. You know what I'm talking about
To Kati,  .
As with Dayvenkirq I'm done,here. I have to study anyway
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 04 2013 at 22:55
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Kati
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:52 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Kati wrote:
Cooee!!! You two, Dayvenkirq and ProgMetaller2112, you too get along so well with one another lolol stop it and laugh about your difference in opinion, now hug each other yay  |
Big Kisses and Big to my girl, Kati
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hihihihi mhwoaahhxxx and to you, ProgMetaller2112
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:50 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^ What are you talking about, he's talking about reviews and ratings here. On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC and he's twisting things around. That I don't get. Stop hounding me, Andrey. First, one thread than another. Just stop it, already.
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Where did you get the idea that "those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC"?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 04 2013 at 22:50
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 22:50 |
Kati wrote:
Cooee!!! You two, Dayvenkirq and ProgMetaller2112, you too get along so well with one another lolol stop it and laugh about your difference in opinion, now hug each other yay |
Big Kisses and Big to my girl, Kati
About your comment:
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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