Yes vs. King Crimson
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Topic: Yes vs. King Crimson
Posted By: adace1
Subject: Yes vs. King Crimson
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 14:07
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What do you think?
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 14:46
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I like the Crims a lot, but Yes is arguably my favorite band ever. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 14:55
| Though both bands are on my top 5, King Crimson gets my vote. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:08
| King Crimson |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:10
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However, King Crimson anyway! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
adace1 wrote:Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:13
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King Crimson
While YES made the best prog album ever (Tales from topographic oceans), i feel that King Crimson are far more even in quality. King Crimson never made a poor album IMO, and that's something i'm sorry that i can't say about Yes.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:15
 ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:16
Coming from you?  |
Posted By: my_left_brain
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:17
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Well, I think KC succeeded where Yes failed; to make surprising, new music all the time. From mellotron spheric songs to somewhat metal (red) and in the 80's with a dramatically changed style; funk/new wave-a-like prog rock. Yes desperatly tried fourty years to equalize the class of Close to the edge, but just got simplier and never succeeded. In my opinion. However I prefer The Yes Album to Going for the One above In the court or Red, but after those classic albums in the golden age of prog rock KC wins for me because of their variety and power to surprise
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:20
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Yes beats pretty much anything.
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:21
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:22
Variety and surprise isn't what makes music good. If you like KC better, then no big deal, but that shouldn't be the reason. ------------- |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:23
 ... I thought this was Close to the Edge.Anyway, Yes made about four albums which I should give a 5 star rating (Tales would not even get enough to round up to three), King Crimson has about four albums which I might give four when I'm in a good mood, but not five. So my choice is obvious.
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Posted By: italian fan
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:43
| it's a hard choice but...King Crimson I say... |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:32
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there's only one band that can beat Yes and that's Magma. King Crimson comes third. by the way, Tales From Topographic Oceans is a masterpiece. only a person with earwax problem claims something else ... |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:59
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I'm for Yes, not that KC are bad, of course... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:01
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King Crimson without doubt. Nothing against Yes of course, but KC has made so much gold. I have 10 albums by them and love it all, the weakest IMO is a 3 star. That is one hell of an impressive discog! |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:02
| Yes has 2 wonderful albums (and no, they include neither CttE nor TfTO), King Crimson has many more than that |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:06
You beat me to it. I chose Yes - only so that it doesn't look like I came in here ONLY to troll  |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:24
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Composition > Improvisation Yes for me. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:40
| King Crimson for me by quite a large margin. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:58
Yes, I agree.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 18:15
I know a few others made vague references to this but you're known for inundating the polls with a slew of polls that could be considered variations on the same theme and unoriginal. Yet, the majority of us simply let you do your polls without giving you grief because it's your right to create the polls that you want to see. I think it's a fair request to ask you to be tolerant of others' polls. Remember, it's always easier to hit the back button than it is to detract from things that are important to other people. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 19:05
| The music of Yes transports me; while I respect the talent of KC, much of their music is hard for me to enjoy. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 19:38
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KC by a good bit. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 20:30
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At their prime, they could go at it in prog-battle for years.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 20:55
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King Crimson but both are amazing. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 23:49
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Yes but both are amazing. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 04:17
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I find King Crimson to be the least emotional band I have ever heard. I can't listening to an album that doesn't reach me at all on that level, so It's yes by thousands of miles. ------------- 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 04:23
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Funny how the Crims are lagging behind (when they're not even guilty of having made a single toe curlingly wretched pop album to appease the MTV plankton)
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Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 05:54
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King Crimson anyway. |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 06:17
Didn't expect that with your name. You don't have to worry, I will vote for KC for you.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 07:12
| I think Crimson are overrated by prog fans because they were more experimental and left field than all the other bands. They were never really that popular to have big concerts either and with a long history prog fans like to support the long time underdog. But composition wise they're no better than many prog bands from the 70s really. They were a pretty good composition band while Sinfield was with them. They had a jazzy feel and used more keys in their songs. But I find them hard to really love when they had 4 singers and 4 drummers over a 3 year period. Too many changes to really love the band imo. Haskell and Burrell were pretty average vocalists too. The Wetton era is best for the slow tunes imo. Other than the slow songs the rest was mainly experimental album filling and the occasional cool riff imo. I guess I don't care for Wettons voice alot of the time though. A good bunch of albums from 1969-74 but that was it for them in the 70s. All over by 1975. Yes were a better band. Their songs were better compositions so they'll always be better. But Yes started to experiment too with 15-20 minute songs. Honestly I think they were running out of compositions by 1972 that they started dragging out songs with experimental sections of sounds and noises. They only had 2 more albums in the 70's after 1974. They were best from 1970-72 but they started to lose it a bit after that although they still had plenty of good ideas. As a whole I feel Yes are overrated by prog fans but only half as much as Crimson. I feel that bands such as Tull and Gentle giant have more quality over the 70s. Better composers over the decade |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 07:24
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Yes has more great albums for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 07:35
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A tough one, like being asked to choose between your children. There's no doubt that King Crimson are the single most important band in Prog, but it has to be said that the influence of Yes upon King Crimson is massive too. Both owe an even greater debt to 1-2-3 of course, but that was pre-prog history, this is now.
On balance, it has to be King Crimson if such a choice really has to be made.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 08:32
Well said, saves me commenting! Yes for me, by a tiny amount (they are my favourite two bands). ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Volume
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 09:40
Guess 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 12:15
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Difficult. In general, both bands aren't my first choice for anything. I would say Yes wins overall because they have more albums I enjoy (CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, Drama, Going for the One, Magnification, Tormato -yes, I said it-) though they also have the album that best defines all I don't like in them and in many prog bands (TFTO); King Crimson, on the other hand, almost always leaves me cold, I have gotten rid of many of their albums which bored me to death, but I like Red a lot and they have one album which is a real masterpiece and which I enjoy more than all the other albums by these two bands put together: ITCOTCK. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 12:24
You've summed it up very well, though personally I like John Wetton's voice. I really don't find much KC enjoyable at any level and the adulation which is directed at Fripp's guitar playing amazes me - to me he is very average. The track Red sums it up - dull, repetitive and never really goes anywhere.
Yes made some very good albums and a few turkeys, but they were light years ahead of KC. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 21:49
| I love both, of course, but Yes is almost unbeatable for me. Well, Fragile and CttE are just flawless, with a flawless line-up. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 21:54
I find Epitaph to be one of the most emotional songs I've heard, and Starless is pretty good on that aspect too... |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 22:28
| King Crimson. Bolder, more emotional, more versatile (though the last is achieved by an ever changing line up, really) and more consistent. But Yes is Yes. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 08:19
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Both excellent. But Yes is much more amazing. Robert Fripp can not create anything approaching "Deeper than", for example. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:57
| YES!!!! By a hundered thousand miles! |
Posted By: kingcrimsonfan
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 12:06
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That is a hard one i would have to say King Crimson due to their variety of different sounds in one song especially in the power to believe period of their musical journey. but yes is just an inch away of beating this reason ------------- 
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 13:13
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I think Fripp would prefer Yes and Yes would prefer KC....... and not just out of politeness. Crimson certainly influenced Yes, but by the time they made Heart of the Sunrise they were doing their own thing, and were doing far more complex numbers than any other band at that time ('cept maybe Gentle Giant). What Epignosis said rings true..... Yes were brilliant composers, creating pieces of music on a similar level to Stravinsky and Debussy, while KC relied on improvisation and expanding small pockets of genius into long, atmospheric mood pieces. Neither band could do what the other one did best very well at all. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: courtzz
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 23:47
| yess |
Posted By: JeanFrame
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 09:39
| King Crimson, the pinnacle of prog. But Yes are Close to the Summit too. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 09:40
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I prefer Yes over Bill Bruford's little side project. ------------- 
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 10:13
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I like KC very much, it's my third favourite band so they get my vote ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 15:45
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both
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Posted By: leadsynt
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:43
like Mr Rick Wakeman for example... ?  He left Yes just because he didn't find TFTO was that masterpiece (as Anderson believed). BTW, between Yes and KC ... KC has always kept a good average level throughout the decades, considering all the line up changes and has always had the improvisational side as a distinguishing trademark (with respect to other top bands in the prog-rock circuit, Yes, Genesis,....), but Yes has the highest peaks of all, as well as low moments that make forget what this band was originally... moreover, Yes was born as pop band, a vocal band, and only later they moved to extended songs making use of complex classic arrangements, vocal harmonies, hard rock rhythm section. It's very easy to be complex and to be dull at the same time, while it's very rare to be complex and to be pleasant instead. Yes is my favorite band "Jon Anderson is the only guy who is trying to save this planet while living on another (Rick Wakeman)" |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 10:24
I think that after TFTO days Wakeman was kind of lost. The hype that had surrounded him several years has lead him to deadend, situation which also made him say some things he really didn't mean. He wanted to go forward and it was easy to take the next step when feeling kind of disapointed towards the latest album. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:28
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I'd vote for Yes.... if Jon Anderson was still in the band. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:08
| Crim. There;s very little about there music that I don't like. I can't say the same about Yes with all the changes and their output since Going for the One. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:09
Wouldn't you like to have RW in the band as well? |
Posted By: hobocamp
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:58
| Crimson shmimson |
Posted By: EchidnasArf
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:08
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Voted for KC but I listen to and love both for completely different reasons.
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Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 16:36
| Yes because Fragile is an incredible album that can match any KC album even though they are very different bands |
Posted By: Phobia14
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 19:45
| Definitely King Crimson for me. I prefer their darker atmosphere and Fripp's guitar work... and the fact that they didn't make pop albums. |
Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: July 13 2011 at 05:22
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I like them equally, but very, very different ways. ------------- "I always say that it’s about breaking the rules. But the secret of breaking rules in a way that works is understanding what the rules are in the first place". Rick Wakeman |
Posted By: dasa
Date Posted: July 16 2011 at 03:11
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Also like them equally, but bands are totally different. KC is KC and Yes is Yes.
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Posted By: kevin4peace
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 01:30
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KC all the way. I haven't really 'gotten' Yes' stuff after CTTE. The first 3 KC eras were all amazing. ------------- Nothing to say here. Nothing at all. Nothing is easy. |
Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 13:07
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Yes easily for me
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 14:12
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King Crimson has over twenty albums I like, Yes has one that I don't like, though not as much as any of those. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 15:30
I don't comment. My nick and avatar says it all... 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 15:43
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I like Yes very much...well becuase I think they are much better than whatever people feel was the best KC ever recorded. So I like Yes much more.........Must be why I only have one KC album (guess).....and I have 11 Yes albums in my collection. -------------   
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 19:06
| Yes for me. |
Posted By: GypsyJoker
Date Posted: August 09 2011 at 19:53
| Urgh. Like asking if I love my wife or my daughter more. |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 09:15
 That about sums it up, both great in different ways, although I do think that KC were great composers as well, Lizard is a very cohesive piece. |
Posted By: ULikeThatDontYa
Date Posted: August 11 2011 at 16:43
| I really only liked a few King Crimson albums, but the majority of Yes albums are good IMO. So I prefer yes. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: August 12 2011 at 05:43
True. But chordally, I wouldn't say it approaches Yes's level of sophistication. And it's more of a "lots of linear sections" piece, rather than a rounded off, eighteen-minute "song" like Close to the Edge. The story holds it together, but the thing I love most about Lizard is spotting all the different instruments floating in and out of the mix. Chamber music at it's modern best! ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: August 14 2011 at 00:47
| A tough one. Crimson's album defined the genre and was more of a height than anything Yes produced. But Yes was the first of the two bands to successfully exploit the genre created by 1-2-3, and even influenced Crimson in doing so. Given that this is Prog Archives, the vote goes to Crimson for announcing the style to the world. |
Posted By: moszaic
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 04:40
| Every king crimson album has its own quality! King Crimson was unreachable and Bruford at his best... |
Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 06:24
Love Yes, but IMHO their only album that had reached the level of KC was Relayer. KC is more consistent.
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Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 08:28
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I'm on King Crimson's side myself - how many other bands can you think of who so completely reinvented themselves completely three or four times over the scope of their career, and in which each phase has absolute must-have albums worthy of a listen? ITCotCK, Red and Discipline sound like entirely different bands and yet each one knocks it out of the park. Yes, on the other hand, hit a high from The Yes Album to Going For the One which they've never quite managed to recapture. They're both wonderful bands and I wouldn't want to be without either of them, but the fact is that KC have proved to have more staying power and creativity than Yes.
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 10:04
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I prefer Yes. However, King Crimson would never dare to dump Robert Fripp, so... hard choice, actually. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 10:25
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well i have to say Yes. ------------- 
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 02:45
| Thank you for saying that King Crimson definitely overrated. Yes has more emotion. Does Crimson have anything that can match to Awaken? Answer is no, I'd vote Yes |
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 06:04
| Can't agree with that at all. King Crimson's importance by far transcends that of Yes, though both bands are major and crucial contributors to this genre. Then, to be fair, Yes was an influence on Crimson in the first place (though both sprang from the same source, 1-2-3). |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 06:05
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Oh my. King Crimson by a light year. -------------  |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 06:18
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I gave my vote to KC, even though CTTE and Fragile are easily my favorite out of all KC and Yes albums combined. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 08:36
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KC, by a very large margin. -------------  
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 12:35
| I love both equally. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:00
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I love Yes and have for many years, but Crims gets my vote. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 15:22
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White & Black. Love them both! ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 15:26
but see my logic is "Does any band have any album that can compare to In The Court?" and as far as my tastes are concerned, unless we're talking about Pink Floyd or The Doors the answer is probably "of course not" ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Josef_K
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 17:22
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A bit easier than Genesis vs KC. Topographic Oceans. Enough said. ------------- Leave the past to burn, At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 17:28
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KC easily, Yes are fantastic in their heyday but I never listen to anything they did after 91025, with KC even their weaker stuff is interesting to listen to in some way. ------------- They flutter behind you your possible pasts, Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost. |
Posted By: otto pankrock
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 17:42
| Crimson, though, I still love alot of Yes. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 08 2012 at 20:13
| Yes had more melody than Crimson. Yes win |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 13:06
Well, for me "Epitaph" is one of the most emotional songs I have ever heard, I really love that one. And Starless isn't bad on an emotional level either (specially live, played with violin... and that ending!!!). Even Exiles is pretty emotional for me, and Lizard (at least the Prince Ruppert Awakes and Bolero sections). Edit: I just found out I had already made just about the same comment a few pages earlier
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Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 13:06
| The King! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 13:17
As for the Awaken question, I'm pretty sure if you made a poll of Starless vs Awaken, Starless would win by a wide margin (though I'm not sure which would I vote for myself... I guess Awaken). As for the "In the Court" question, I'm pretty sure if you made a poll comparing it to the "Close to the Edge" album , CttE would win by a significan margin. I guess I would vote for it. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 12 2012 at 00:08
Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway In the case of Yes:Close To The Edge can match that overrated and overhyped album known as "In The Court" |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 02:12
I don't see why that's funny. Tales beats anything KC ever did ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 10:51
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:04
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Since I fell in love with KC...
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 19:41
Of course you would Ian The underlined ones make me  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 21:05
Actually, I may agree with "The Power to Believe"; the other three you underlined I certainly wouldn't put over Topographic. Also I would easily put the debut over Topographic, but the other two albums I would think it twice before doing so. |