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Kati 
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 Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:04 |
 Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I'm a straight dude; I don't kiss other dudes. Nor do I put on make up. Now, my stepdaddy's dog ... I would kiss her.
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Awwww your stepdaddy's dog awww what you said is this is too precious really  
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Jonathan
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 23:07 |
They are two of my favorite Prog Bands so it would be a tie for me.
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"Do not do to others as you don't want done to yourself."- Confucius
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 01:51 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I'm a straight dude; I don't kiss other dudes. Nor do I put on make up. Now, my stepdaddy's dog ... I would kiss her.
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Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 05 2013 at 01:55
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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snowsnow
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 03:18 |
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Yes by a first round knockout.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 05:54 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ This only shows that you don't know anything about Ian's logic. |
Andrey, stop hounding me out here. Geesh, I know nothing of Ian's logic. Get over it we all have our opinions on certain bands and albums. I just thought it was ludicrous that he brought in some of the albums that he mentioned. He started all of this |
I started all this? Here is your quote that started all this:-
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
I don't see why that's funny. Tales beats anything KC ever did |
I just quoted a bunch of albums that by general consensus are better that TFTO. You need to stop stating things as facts and rolling around on the floor when anyone contradicts you. It's your opinion that TFTO is better than anything KC ever did, and the majority of prog fans do not agree with you so you are in the minority. There is therefore no need use rolling on the floor icons.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Melomaniac
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 07:58 |
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Due to the awful Yes albums since the 80's (with a few notable exceptions) and King Crimson's consistency in releasing great albums throughout their forty + years career AND for always finding ways to sound modern or even ahead of their time (even on The Power to Believe, one of my faves), King Crimson gets my vote easily. Of course I LOVE the albums from the classic Yes period though, Gates of Delirium being one of my favorite prog epics ever...
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Melomaniac
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 08:07 |
In an uncertain world, it's good to know that some things never change !!! 
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 10:51 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Feisty, Nogbad. Who cares about what others have to say. So by your logic Rush and or Genesis is better than KC. Since they get better reviews and higher ratings? You cannot create a double standard there. You get me. I love how you took the time to bring in a chart  .P.S.Rush's albums have a higher rating and are better reviewed than KC's  . We all know Rush is better by your logic |
Ok, point 1, this is a Yes - KC thread so Genesis & Rush aren't relevant.
Point 2 (and remember you brought this up) I decided to check your logic on Rush & Genesis so I compared the top 5 albums by all three bands across PA, Gnosis & RYM.
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. |
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Gnosis |
Rateyourmusic |
| Hemispheres |
4.37 |
10.86 |
3.94 |
| Moving Pictures |
4.40 |
10.98 |
4 |
| 2112 |
4.07 |
10.27 |
3.85 |
| Farewell To The Kings |
4.34 |
10.51 |
3.91 |
| Permanent Waves |
4.31 |
10.69 |
3.93 |
| Average |
4.30 |
10.66 |
3.93 |
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| LTiA |
4.38 |
12.97 |
4.06 |
| Red |
4.51 |
12.55 |
4.22 |
| ITCOTCK |
4.58 |
12.95 |
4.3 |
| Lizard |
4.1 |
12.21 |
3.72 |
| Discipline |
4.09 |
11.16 |
3.89 |
| Average |
4.33 |
12.37 |
4.04 |
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| Nursery Cryme |
4.41 |
12.36 |
3.95 |
| Foxtrot |
4.60 |
12.68 |
4.04 |
| SEBTP |
4.62 |
12.74 |
4.10 |
| TLLDOB |
4.27 |
11.84 |
4.01 |
| ATOTT |
4.26 |
10.93 |
3.86 |
| Average |
4.43 |
12.11 |
3.99 |
This clearly shows that across these three sites that are well respected for their ratings (PA & RYM for the literally thousands of people inputting ratings & Gnosis for its expert opinions)
1. Genesis is the most highly rated on PA with KC & Rush tied for second
2. KC has the highest rating on RYM but all three are essentially so close to be a three way tie
3. Gnosis rates KC first, Genesis second & Rush a distant third which I don't find surprising given Gnosis leanings.
So in summary KC and Genesis are similarly compared with Rush slightly lower rated. This does not surprise me given the general feel I get from all three sources.
So no I do not accept your premise that Rush are clearly better than KC as I cannot find any reputable source who rate Rush higher.
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - March 05 2013 at 10:54
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Ian
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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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iamathousandapples
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 10:58 |
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KC has a more consistent discography than Yes. KC definitely
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 17:27 |
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King Crimson. I never warmed up to Yes very much.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:28 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Feisty, Nogbad. Who cares about what others have to say. So by your logic Rush and or Genesis is better than KC. Since they get better reviews and higher ratings? You cannot create a double standard there. You get me. I love how you took the time to bring in a chart .P.S.Rush's albums have a higher rating and are better reviewed than KC's . We all know Rush is better by your logic |
Ok, point 1, this is a Yes - KC thread so Genesis & Rush aren't relevant.
Point 2 (and remember you brought this up) I decided to check your logic on Rush & Genesis so I compared the top 5 albums by all three bands across PA, Gnosis & RYM.
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
On PA, those other bands overall have better ratings and reviews than KC
they do. look it up, please. |
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Progarchives |
Gnosis |
Rateyourmusic |
| Hemispheres |
4.37 |
10.86 |
3.94 |
| Moving Pictures |
4.40 |
10.98 |
4 |
| 2112 |
4.07 |
10.27 |
3.85 |
| Farewell To The Kings |
4.34 |
10.51 |
3.91 |
| Permanent Waves |
4.31 |
10.69 |
3.93 |
| Average |
4.30 |
10.66 |
3.93 |
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| LTiA |
4.38 |
12.97 |
4.06 |
| Red |
4.51 |
12.55 |
4.22 |
| ITCOTCK |
4.58 |
12.95 |
4.3 |
| Lizard |
4.1 |
12.21 |
3.72 |
| Discipline |
4.09 |
11.16 |
3.89 |
| Average |
4.33 |
12.37 |
4.04 |
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| Nursery Cryme |
4.41 |
12.36 |
3.95 |
| Foxtrot |
4.60 |
12.68 |
4.04 |
| SEBTP |
4.62 |
12.74 |
4.10 |
| TLLDOB |
4.27 |
11.84 |
4.01 |
| ATOTT |
4.26 |
10.93 |
3.86 |
| Average |
4.43 |
12.11 |
3.99 |
This clearly shows that across these three sites that are well respected for their ratings (PA & RYM for the literally thousands of people inputting ratings & Gnosis for its expert opinions)
1. Genesis is the most highly rated on PA with KC & Rush tied for second
2. KC has the highest rating on RYM but all three are essentially so close to be a three way tie
3. Gnosis rates KC first, Genesis second & Rush a distant third which I don't find surprising given Gnosis leanings.
So in summary KC and Genesis are similarly compared with Rush slightly lower rated. This does not surprise me given the general feel I get from all three sources.
So no I do not accept your premise that Rush are clearly better than KC as I cannot find any reputable source who rate Rush higher. |
Ian, I was talking about the entire discography not certain albums. Take a look and I think you would be surprised and I have yet to find any ratings on Gnosis(I probably haven't checked right but I haven't found any). I love how you clearly thought this out and took the time to make it
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 05 2013 at 19:33
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:33 |
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^ What are you trying to prove with math and stats?
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:38 |
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^^^ What are you trying to prove by hounding me every damn thread, just stop it already, this is between me and Ian. I know I know that you have thought about this and put it into your stubborn heads.This only proves my point that music is objective that it's all left to individual preference, Ian however is twisting things around yet again. Have you heard the saying that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" well the same goes for music.
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:40 |
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^^^ Nogbad compared TFTO to KC albums, not Yes. It was you who manipulated the question conveniently to turn it into Yes v/s Genesis. The point is simply that TFTO is not as universally acclaimed as you make it out to be. If you as an individual like it more than some KC albums, it doesn't entitle you to laugh at and mock contrary opinions.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:41 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ What are you trying to prove with math and stats? |
That he keeps quoting stuff as facts that are clear bullsh*t. When anyone calls him on it he resorts to "check it out" and rolling on the floor laughing emoticons. Well I checked it out and called him on. I want him to realize that all he ever posts is his opinion, it has no basis in anything mathematical or statistical.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:42 |
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If beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, why do you have such a huge problem with any opinion that favours a KC album over one of Genesis and Yes? You only argue to be left alone when it comes to your own opinions, you are reluctant to show that respect to others in the first place and usually incite these arguments yourself by mocking them.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:43 |
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^^^ I know that, rogerthat. I just don't agree with him. Got me, good. I just thought that some of the albums he listed were not even close but again that's my preference and what I have been trying to point out all alon. I don't see what is wrong with anyone having an opinion about anything here
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - March 05 2013 at 19:48
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:46 |
rogerthat wrote:
If beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, why do you have such a huge problem with any opinion that favours a KC album over one of Genesis and Yes? You only argue to be left alone when it comes to your own opinions, you are reluctant to show that respect to others in the first place and usually incite these arguments yourself by mocking them. |
I don't have a huge problem letting people have an opinion about anything here. I mean take a look Gandalff post earlier in this thread. Is that respectful I think not
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:46 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
^^^ What are you trying to prove by hounding me every damn thread, just stop it already, this is between me and Ian. I know I know that you have thought about this and put it into your stubborn heads.This only proves my point that music is objective that it's all left to individual preference, Ian however is twisting things around yet again. Have you heard the saying that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" well the same goes for music.
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1) You've just stated that music is objective. Fix it unless you want to be laughed at.
2) If you are complaining about me "hounding" at you or whatever, then you are gonna have to stop trying to convince us that quality lies in quantity. Quit it unless you want to be laughed at even more and louder.
3) This is a public forum. This ain't between you and Ian.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 05 2013 at 19:51
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:48 |
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I think this guy is really getting a kick out of strangling and twisting our patience, wasting our valuable time.
I'm out.
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