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Posted: February 27 2013 at 12:46
Dean wrote:
Eh? José Cid only has one album listed here because no one has bothered to add the others - if you feel like adding more José Cid albums then please, be my guest.
Even the poppiest, cheesiest ones?
"Those who are not shocked when they first come across Prog theory cannot possibly have understood it." - Niels Bohr
"If you think you understand Prog, you don't understand Prog." - Richard Feynman
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 12:54
ArturdeLara wrote:
Dean wrote:
Eh? José Cid only has one album listed here because no one has bothered to add the others - if you feel like adding more José Cid albums then please, be my guest.
Even the poppiest, cheesiest ones?
The rule is "the whole discography", so yes, even the poppiest cheesiest ones.
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 16:11
Guldbamsen wrote:
ArturdeLara wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
Hold on a minute. First you bring me flowers and then we'll go from there
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Congratulations, you just made my day.
Glad to be of service.
BTW do you know of Quarteto 1111 - Jose Cid's prog band? Their second album is a real beauty
Yes, I haven't listened to their other albums yet, but i love that one. Actually, I bought it on CD about three weeks ago, so I had the chance to hear it properly, and it's f***ing gorgeous. With some beautiful lyrics as well (luckily enough i'm portuguese, so I can understand them ).
"Those who are not shocked when they first come across Prog theory cannot possibly have understood it." - Niels Bohr
"If you think you understand Prog, you don't understand Prog." - Richard Feynman
Well I'm not, but I still think Portuguese along with Italian are some of the most beautiful languages in the world. I especially adore the Brazilian version of Portuguese.
BTW we better wrap this up now, since this is a thread concerning Swans
Edited by Guldbamsen - February 27 2013 at 16:18
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
We've had this discussion a couple of times before, but what perhaps is one of the key reasons(and probably also one of the hardest to grasp really) for not including an act like Swans, is not that they aren't progressive, because they are, but because they aren't prog. There is a difference.
I don't know what to stamp The Seer with, other than it was my pick of the year for 2012, but in regards to PA - I haven't got a clue.
Sometimes bands can be extremely progressive and foreseeing, yet still they don't seem to fit in at PA. That's the truth, and also the reason why some folks get their panties in a twist, because the likes of Boris, Future Sound of London, Pharoah Sanders and fellow minded pioneers aren't included.
Great point man. I mean, I don't want to get too fancy over this whole situation, in the end it's all good music of course. But take a band like Godspeed You! Black Emperor or Boredoms. These bands, much like Swans, are contemporary "progressive", experimental, innovative acts, but are not typically considered "Prog", but they happen to be on PA. Godspeed being very much similar to Swans, in my opinion. So if these bands are on here, why can't Swans?
We've had this discussion a couple of times before, but what perhaps is one of the key reasons(and probably also one of the hardest to grasp really) for not including an act like Swans, is not that they aren't progressive, because they are, but because they aren't prog. There is a difference.
I don't know what to stamp The Seer with, other than it was my pick of the year for 2012, but in regards to PA - I haven't got a clue.
Sometimes bands can be extremely progressive and foreseeing, yet still they don't seem to fit in at PA. That's the truth, and also the reason why some folks get their panties in a twist, because the likes of Boris, Future Sound of London, Pharoah Sanders and fellow minded pioneers aren't included.
Great point man. I mean, I don't want to get too fancy over this whole situation, in the end it's all good music of course. But take a band like Godspeed You! Black Emperor or Boredoms. These bands, much like Swans, are contemporary "progressive", experimental, innovative acts, but are not typically considered "Prog", but they happen to be on PA. Godspeed being very much similar to Swans, in my opinion. So if these bands are on here, why can't Swans?
Thanks man!
First of all, I am no expert on this, I don't believe anyone can be, this is all made up things we say about music in order to get at least some bearing on what we hear, so we can better navigate and locate.
Personally, even if I seem like I speak against it in a lot of these threads, I am in favour of being inclusive, though not in the way of opening the door to Dire Straits and U2... I do however believe Future Sound of London should be here in prog electronic, and I think Swans should as well. Where? Prog related seems like a real opportunity, I mean these guys have been hugely inspirational all through the 80s and up to now, add to that flick flacking round in different genres - continuing to evolve and experiment. They certainly left a trail behind them, and I hear a lot of the avant bands that sound strangely influenced by them.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 05:31
Guldbamsen wrote:
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
We've had this discussion a couple of times before, but what perhaps is one of the key reasons(and probably also one of the hardest to grasp really) for not including an act like Swans, is not that they aren't progressive, because they are, but because they aren't prog. There is a difference.
I don't know what to stamp The Seer with, other than it was my pick of the year for 2012, but in regards to PA - I haven't got a clue.
Sometimes bands can be extremely progressive and foreseeing, yet still they don't seem to fit in at PA. That's the truth, and also the reason why some folks get their panties in a twist, because the likes of Boris, Future Sound of London, Pharoah Sanders and fellow minded pioneers aren't included.
Great point man. I mean, I don't want to get too fancy over this whole situation, in the end it's all good music of course. But take a band like Godspeed You! Black Emperor or Boredoms. These bands, much like Swans, are contemporary "progressive", experimental, innovative acts, but are not typically considered "Prog", but they happen to be on PA. Godspeed being very much similar to Swans, in my opinion. So if these bands are on here, why can't Swans?
Thanks man!
First of all, I am no expert on this, I don't believe anyone can be, this is all made up things we say about music in order to get at least some bearing on what we hear, so we can better navigate and locate.
Personally, even if I seem like I speak against it in a lot of these threads, I am in favour of being inclusive, though not in the way of opening the door to Dire Straits and U2... I do however believe Future Sound of London should be here in prog electronic, and I think Swans should as well. Where? Prog related seems like a real opportunity, I mean these guys have been hugely inspirational all through the 80s and up to now, add to that flick flacking round in different genres - continuing to evolve and experiment. They certainly left a trail behind them, and I hear a lot of the avant bands that sound strangely influenced by them.
Some people don't undestand that "experimental" or "avant-garde" does not necessarily mean "prog". Take Industrial, Noise, Free Jazz or even Post-Punk for example. U2, for instance, are an experimental rock band, but by no means Prog (Although Dire Straits would fit just fine in prog related IMO). However it is my understanding that Swans do incorporate prog traits in their sound.
"Those who are not shocked when they first come across Prog theory cannot possibly have understood it." - Niels Bohr
"If you think you understand Prog, you don't understand Prog." - Richard Feynman
^They absolutely do, just like most of the Post Rock bands listed on PA. All I think is that if bands like Godspeed (like Max mentioned), or Sigur Ros are here, then why shouldn't Swans be here? I'd say Prog-Related without a doubt.
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Posted: March 03 2013 at 01:55
bytor2112 wrote:
^They absolutely do, just like most of the Post Rock bands listed on PA. All I think is that if bands like Godspeed (like Max mentioned), or Sigur Ros are here, then why shouldn't Swans be here? I'd say Prog-Related without a doubt.
Because we absolutely do not play "If Band X are here then Band Y should be here" games.
That argument has never worked and it will never work.
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Dean wrote:
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Nice work. Thank you. 
I finished it today, it's practically complete now.
