3 Prog Rock Giants

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Sumdeus wrote: I never said KC were metal. The point I'm supporting is that I think King Crimson's heavy sections are heavier than any time Genesis gets a bit heavy, because I don't really think Genesis is ever heavy In this case heavy is in the ear of the beholder. I think Genesis has their moments of heaviness and they happened before KC pretty much Nope, because Schizoid was even earlier than Nursery Cryme, to say nothing of Relayer.   In 1969, there was nothing as heavy as 21st century Schizoid Man and once again in 73-74, with Fracture and Red, KC made some of the heaviest rock music up to that point.   In 1969, there was nothing as heavy as 21st century Schizoid Man Black Sabbath was heavier

It's not heavy anymore circa 2013 but at that time, it was.   What was the heaviest music of that time?  Maybe some Doors or the first LZ.  It was heavier than any of those. By that token, Musical Box is not heavy as of today either, nor is Knife.

So what if it is?  The TONE doesn't have much heaviness.  Ditto, Musical Box.   Such music is rather too melodic for me to associate it with heavy metal.   Compare Knife to what Deep Purple were doing on In Rock or even the Warpigs riff, that is a lot heavier already.   By 1971, there's no question that Sabbath was a lot heavier with tracks like Into the Void.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I agree but we are talking about KC and Genesis here not Deep Purple or Black Sabbath, haven't heard of sarcasm, eh

Edited by rogerthat - January 26 2013 at 20:44

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I agree but we are talking about KC and Genesis here not Deep Purple or Black Sabbath, haven't heard of sarcasm, eh I have already answered that question once, twice and this is the last time.   Try getting that into your head or if you have another of your brain farts, go see the doc first.  And try also to avoid your pseudo-condescension because it is hilarious; yes - shock and horror - we have heard all these albums that you go on and on.   I had said Red is heavier than Yes or Genesis so comparing Musical Box to anything KC had released up to that point is irrelevant here.   I don't think you have any convincing Yes or Genesis exhibits to demonstrate that they could be heavier than Red, so you deliberately twisted the argument just to score a point.   For the last time, stop arguing and learn to discuss instead. I'm not arguing I'm discussing this with you. I don't think that that is irrelevant though.

Still hating on KC and trying to justify you condescension as 'discussion'? Guess you never did turn over that new leaf did you?

Trying to argue Genesis & Yes as heavier than Crimson is bizarre. I love the Knife & Hogweed but those are outliers compared to KC's body of work.
 

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   How am I hating???? and didn't you just take a look at what I wrote down??

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I'm not starting again

...yeah, good job on that.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: You know what let's just drop this right now. I'm done here. I'm wrong and you're right here

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: I'm stubborn as you could very well see

Well that lasted a long time.


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - January 27 2013 at 08:32

Unlike ProgMetaller I do like most of the King Crimson discography, but I give a clear edge to Genesis since I'm a Hackett fan afterall. I don't think ProgMetaller is as loopy here as you all seem to think. The fact is quite true, for instance, Iron Maiden have repeatedly acknowledged Steve Hackett as a major influence on them. I don't think King Crimson is really all that "heavier" in general, although I think KC makes the memory of their loud moments reverberate longer, so it seems more pervasive than it is. They have a lot of jazzy sections which are not very heavy at all, but seem heavy because they maintained some prior tension. Genesis is better at dynamic contrasts, but they dial the tension down a lot more once the heavy portion is completed. Also, "heaviness" can vary quite a bit with a given performance or recording mix. We know Hackett constantly lost out in the mix. I've been watching a live version of Lark's Tongues Pt. 1 on DVD. Great stuff, but it's nowhere near as heavy as the studio version (of course it's really the improvisation that makes it special).