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Posted: December 24 2012 at 00:59
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rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
does it have to be heavy to be good though? not necessarily and KC are Symphonic Prog not Heavy Prog
Doesn't have to be, but the way you questioned Gandalff using the headbanging icon was as if to suggest they are not heavy at all and that makes no sense. They are clearly very heavy and if any of the big classic prog rock bands would at all be described as headbangable by this metalhead, it would be KC, not Yes and most certainly not Genesis.
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Posted: December 23 2012 at 22:59
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ You are missing the point. They don't have to be heavy to be good. Even when they are not heavy, they are goo-oo-ood. And, using the rough PA terminology and standards, no, they are not Heavy Prog, nor are they Symph Prog. They are under Eclectic Prog, though, and yet, technically, they are all three of these things ... well, ... were. Lastly, when I noted their heaviness, I meant to reflect the impression they've made on me.
I ain't missing the point all I said was that it doesn't have to heavy to be good, I could of sworn that they were considered Symph Prog but I guess not
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KC was symph only until Lizard, in my opinion. They maybe included some symph elements later, but they were never as symphonic as on In the Court or In the Wake.
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 05:00
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
does it have to be heavy to be good though? not necessarily and KC are Symphonic Prog not Heavy Prog
Doesn't have to be, but the way you questioned Gandalff using the headbanging icon was as if to suggest they are not heavy at all and that makes no sense. They are clearly very heavy and if any of the big classic prog rock bands would at all be described as headbangable by this metalhead, it would be KC, not Yes and most certainly not Genesis.
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 01:36
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ You are missing the point. They don't have to be heavy to be good. Even when they are not heavy, they are goo-oo-ood. And, using the rough PA terminology and standards, no, they are not Heavy Prog, nor are they Symph Prog. They are under Eclectic Prog, though, and yet, technically, they are all three of these things ... well, ... were. Lastly, when I noted their heaviness, I meant to reflect the impression they've made on me.
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Posted: December 22 2012 at 00:09
^ You are missing the point. They don't have to be heavy to be good. Even when they are not heavy, they are goo-oo-ood. And, using the rough PA terminology and standards, no, they are not Heavy Prog, nor are they Symph Prog. They are under Eclectic Prog, though, and yet, technically, they are all three of these things ... well, ... were. Lastly, when I noted their heaviness, I meant to reflect the impression they've made on me.
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Posted: December 21 2012 at 23:01
Dayvenkirq wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
If it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it is wrong if it does to somebody else. This piece easily crushes any Genesis or Yes track for sheer heaviness:
Or this, for that matter:
By the way, I love Genesis and Yes too but I doubt you are going to believe me the moment I say something positive about KC. Seems your universe is a pretty binary one.
Exactly my point. KC are the heaviestclassic prog band I've ever heard.
does it have to be heavy to be good though? not necessarily and KC are Symphonic Prog not Heavy Prog
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Posted: December 20 2012 at 00:58
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
I never said they didn't influence other artists did I? I just personally think they are an average band I've heard those songs before Larks Tongues(both of them) and Red and there good just nothing to great in my opinion, so sorry if I don't think they're that great cuz you can listen to them all you want. There is no point in arguing with me. I just think they're average nobody has to get butthurt so calm down and down
Doesn't entitle you for a minute to poke fun at others opinions the way you did to Gandalff.
you're right and it won't happen again, sincerely sorry. just gonna go back to posting
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Posted: December 20 2012 at 00:56
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
I never said they didn't influence other artists did I? I just personally think they are an average band I've heard those songs before Larks Tongues(both of them) and Red and there good just nothing to great in my opinion, so sorry if I don't think they're that great cuz you can listen to them all you want. There is no point in arguing with me. I just think they're average nobody has to get butthurt so calm down and down
Doesn't entitle you for a minute to poke fun at others opinions the way you did to Gandalff.
you're right and it won't happen again, sincerely sorry. just gonna go back to posting
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Posted: December 20 2012 at 00:53
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ With me, roughly speaking, 90% of the time.
You don't sound like a guy who has actually heard a single Crim record from the '69-'74 period (what's with all the laughs? ). Think you are bluffing about your history of listening to them. If you claim that they don't rock people's brains out, then your are just fooling yourself and nobody else.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy I've heard every Crimson album from the 69-74 period they have great moments at times but most of the time they don't go anywhere they do not satisfy me with but hell that's just me there an average band when compared to Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator , do u want me to keep going
No, there is no point in you keeping on going. There is also no point in denying the influence of this band. Also, saying that they are an average band, ... . As much as I hate to do this, I'm gonna use the word "pretentious": that is one hell of a pretentious statement you've made there.
I never said they didn't influence other artists did I? I just personally think they are an average band I've heard those songs before Larks Tongues(both of them) and Red and there good just nothing to great in my opinion, so sorry if I don't think they're that great cuz you can listen to them all you want. There is no point in arguing with me. I just think they're average nobody has to get butthurt so calm down and down
I'm not super-agitated; I'm rather baffled. You nicked the Crims as an average band. What kind of an "average" band could make as much of an impact as King Crimson?
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Posted: December 20 2012 at 00:52
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
I never said they didn't influence other artists did I? I just personally think they are an average band I've heard those songs before Larks Tongues(both of them) and Red and there good just nothing to great in my opinion, so sorry if I don't think they're that great cuz you can listen to them all you want. There is no point in arguing with me. I just think they're average nobody has to get butthurt so calm down and down
Doesn't entitle you for a minute to poke fun at others opinions the way you did to Gandalff.
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Posted: December 20 2012 at 00:48
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ With me, roughly speaking, 90% of the time.
You don't sound like a guy who has actually heard a single Crim record from the '69-'74 period (what's with all the laughs? ). Think you are bluffing about your history of listening to them. If you claim that they don't rock people's brains out, then your are just fooling yourself and nobody else.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy I've heard every Crimson album from the 69-74 period they have great moments at times but most of the time they don't go anywhere they do not satisfy me with but hell that's just me there an average band when compared to Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator , do u want me to keep going
No, there is no point in you keeping on going. There is also no point in denying the influence of this band. Also, saying that they are an average band, ... . As much as I hate to do this, I'm gonna use the word "pretentious": that is one hell of a pretentious statement you've made there.
I never said they didn't influence other artists did I? I just personally think they are an average band I've heard those songs before Larks Tongues(both of them) and Red and there good just nothing to great in my opinion, so sorry if I don't think they're that great cuz you can listen to them all you want. There is no point in arguing with me. I just think they're average nobody has to get butthurt so calm down and down
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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). Think you are bluffing about your history of listening to them. If you claim that they don't rock people's brains out, then your are just fooling yourself and nobody else.