Most overrated albums

HarbouringTheSoul wrote: Dean wrote: Animals isn't an analogy of Animal Farm as such, more rewriting of it. It's an analogy in the sense that it takes Orwell's observations on the social structure of a communist state and applies them to modern capitalistic democracy. Dean wrote: It replaces communism with capitalism and pigs with sheep. It certainly doesn't replace pigs with sheep. Both fulfill the same roles in the book and in the album. The difference is that in the album, the sheep ultimately overthrow the pigs.

That's a lot to deduce from three more or less unrelated songs (he says, ignoring Pigs on the Wing) - pigs do not figure in the Sheep track - the sheep rise up and overthrow the dogs, have you heard the news... the dogs are dead.
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HarbouringTheSoul wrote: Dean wrote: That's a lot to deduce from three more or less unrelated songs (he says, ignoring Pigs on the Wing)   I didn't deduce anything more than you did.

Snow Dog wrote: I'm afraid I have to disagree with you too Dean. Animals  and Animal farm have no  connection. Whatever wiki says.

Then how come that it uses the exact same animals to represent the exact same social groups (save for the dogs, whose original role doesn't exist in a non-communist society)? You can claim that the two have no connection all you want, but you'll have to back it up.

Dean wrote: I disagree - to say it is an analogy is a deduction whereas saying it is a rewriting is merely an observation.

Saying it is a rewriting is just as much of a deduction. An observation would be to say that it has connections to "Animal Farm". Saying that it is a rewriting suggests that it doesn't just borrow a few elements but actually attempts to recreate the whole story (which I argue it doesn't - there is no explicit storyline). Saying that it's an analogy suggests that it takes a few elements and applies them to a different context to make a statement (which I argue it does). Both are deductions, but I argue that mine is correct and yours isn't.


Edited by HarbouringTheSoul - October 21 2012 at 06:00

Dean wrote: HarbouringTheSoul wrote: Snow Dog wrote: I'm afraid I have to disagree with you too Dean. Animals  and Animal farm have no  connection. Whatever wiki says. Then how come that it uses the exact same animals to represent the exact same social groups (save for the dogs, whose original role doesn't exist in a non-communist society)? You can claim that the two have no connection all you want, but you'll have to back it up. Quite. The dogs are the police in Animals and the security force in Animal Farm.

It's all metaphoric and alegorical anyway  - I doubt that even Waters is that certain. In Dogs the dogs are businessmen, but in Sheep they are more like the police or the establishment.

HarbouringTheSoul wrote:   I think Animals is a lot more coherent. It can be described in a few words: "an analogy of George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' that applies that book's criticisms of communism to capitalism". The only way to describe The Wall in such few words is by making it sound pathetic: "a guy goes crazy because people treat him badly". Always. It's just fun to exchange opinions.

Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - October 21 2012 at 10:46

From the 70`s: "Dark Side of the Moon"!!!... Yuck!!!

And from the modern era, I think that Big Big Train`s "English Electric Part One"...

raul_siberian wrote: From the 70`s: "Dark Side of the Moon"!!!... Yuck!!! And from the modern era, I think that Big Big Train`s "English Electric Part One"...

you sir, are very biased.

Can - Monster Movie
Even if it was different for 1969, Monster Movie, to me, isn't that interesting or well - done, or even good.   

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
I never thought there was anything amazing about this album.

Frank Zappa - Over-Nite Sensation
I never knew why this is considered the most accessible album by Zappa. I've heard some of his albums and know he's capable of making quality music, but this album's very weak.

Edited by Memory Cube - July 20 2013 at 19:29

I'd have to disagree with the first two quite a bit (especially Grey & Pink), but I think Moving Pictures is quite overrated and Moonmadness likewise isn't as good as The Snow Goose or Mirage. I also think that Hybris is quite overrated on this site - its good but not really a masterpiece, along with some Italian prog rock albums except for PFM stuff. Also Wish You Were Here is a bit too minimalist, and I was amazed to find it beating Dark Side Of The Moon!

An underrated album would have to be Tales From Topographic Oceans (and Shine On Brightly)