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You can't compare Dream Theater with anyone because they are the bestest of all genres and all the rest of the bands are clones.
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Dream Theater have both top spots in the prog metal chart. And people complain about the lack of appreciation for them here?
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Ok. Why the f**k do people hate on Dream Theater so much? I really don't get it. Dream Theater are thier own unique, creative force. I think other people and bands alike are jealous of the virtuoso talent
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You can't compare Dream Theater with anyone because they are the bestest of all genres and all the rest of the bands are clones.





Yes yes!!!
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 15:46
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You can't compare Dream Theater with anyone because they are the bestest of all genres and all the rest of the bands are clones.





Yes yes!!!

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To the OP:
Do yourself a favour and dismiss anything to do with "greatest", "best", "top" and "lists". 
I stopped looking at the top 100 a couple of years ago, and was actually only reminded of it here recently because of some punk kid in Mexico trying to champion some Yes tribute albums. 
The more music you stumble across, the harder and more abstract these things tend to get. Do you love the exact same kind of music now as you did back in high school? Does some music work better in the morning and is therefore only really great at that time of day? I used to adore Boney M and now I don't - does that mean that I've committed treason against my own true self? All this non-sense is of course beside the point, but merely there to show you guys that I can link words together to form sentences of sub par quality - and maybe illustrate that the notion of a single list that's supposed to equate some kind of factual merit hierarchy, is utopian and furthermore stupid as hell. Why? Because people's tastes change and listening habits change as well. What may have seemed like noise a few years ago, may now hit you right in the gizzard. Conversely, an album like Close to the Edge may have started out as a real humdinger destined to reside alone at the top of tops for eternity - only you find yourself rather bored by it, after you suddenly discovered Krautrock...
Like Dean mentioned, the list is essentially Just For Fun.


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Points: 36045 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 16:04
Before Dream Theater there was only Proto Dream Theater, and after Dream Theater, merely Post Dream Theater and Dream Theater Related.  DT is the pivotal point of the time-space continuum (Australian Aboriginals refer to it as the DreamTime, and in ancient times prophesied the coming of the Falling Angel of Cheese  See THIS and THIS).

Really there are only two major Prog eras: BDT (before Dream Theater) and ADT (Anno Dream Theater) with some subsets which entail changing personnel such as Anno Dominici (In the Year of our Dream, 1 AD) which is also referred to as BlB (Before La Brie).
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Oh yes the time before the Brie... I remember it fondly. We literally submersed ourselves in cheddar and Roqueforts for days on end... 
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Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Dream Theater have both top spots in the prog metal chart. And people complain about the lack of appreciation for them here?

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#list

That's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You can't compare Dream Theater with anyone because they are the bestest of all genres and all the rest of the bands are clones.





Yes yes!!!

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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Dream Theater have both top spots in the prog metal chart. And people complain about the lack of appreciation for them here?

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#list

That's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.



You know, you do an awful lot of carping about Dream Theater's place in the chart for someone who only rates their albums.  A review carries ten times the weight of a rating only.

5 starsDREAM THEATER Dream Theater - Score: 20th Anniversary World Tour Live with the Octavarium Orchestra(rating only)
3 starsDREAM THEATER Chaos In Motion 2007/2008(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Live at Budokan(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER When Dream And Day Reunite [Official Bootleg](rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Metropolis 2000: Scenes From New York(rating only)
4 starsDREAM THEATER Live at The Marquee(rating only)
4 starsDREAM THEATER Once In A Livetime(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Score: 20th Anniversary World Tour Live with the Octavarium Orchestra(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Live at Budokan(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Live Scenes From New York(rating only)
3 starsDREAM THEATER Train Of Thought(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Octavarium(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Systematic Chaos(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Black Clouds & Silver Linings(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory | review
3 starsDREAM THEATER Falling Into Infinity(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Awake(rating only)
5 starsDREAM THEATER Images And Words | review
5 starsDREAM THEATER When Dream And Day Unite (rating only)
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 16:54
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Dream Theater have both top spots in the prog metal chart. And people complain about the lack of appreciation for them here?

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#list

That's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.


Geoff, you have to take into account the possibility that different people have different understanding of the words "low" and "lowest". C'mon, the 4.2-4.3 range isn't that bad. And again, you are taking the list too seriously. The math fails the list (no offense to the authors of the idea for this list).


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Originally posted by lmaorofllollmao lmaorofllollmao wrote:

I'm afraid i've gone over the hill with ELP, let me explain in a formal manner.

Except for their debut (*****), Tarkus (*****), and maybe Still You turn Me On (***), i have never been pleased by emerson lake and palmer's somewhat nihilistic sound. I can't really notice ANY emotion wheni listen to "Karn Evil 9"...to me it's simply carnival music (pun intended), and most of their albums have alot of boring songs (specifically Tarkus).
 
Wait.... so you give Tarkus five stars and then say it has A LOT of boring songs? :S I thought you were only meant to give something five stars if you believe it's a complete masterpiece...
 
Anyway, I am surprised that ELP isn't rated higher. I haven't personally got into their sound yet (though I am young and life is long, so it's ok) but I do respect them deeply as musicians. They do lack the fine poetry that many other progressive bands have, but the instrumental passages are sometimes really interesting. On another note, I've never understood much of the love for some swedish progressive bands... which I guess sucks since I live in Sweden. I really want to go to the prog festival here in Stockholm but I don't like ANY of the bands AT ALL. And I listen mostly to prog... how ironic is that :D Änglagård is one of those bands that I never got into, Anekdoten and Trettiåriga Kriget are others. So I'm a bit surprised at how appreciated they are around here.

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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 17:01
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:



Ok. Why the f**k do people hate on Dream Theater so much? I really don't get it. Dream Theater are thier own unique, creative force. I think other people and bands alike are jealous of the virtuoso talent

You poor deluded soul.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#listThat's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.


God...i don't even want to know how the post rock/math rock genre compares, hahaha
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Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:



Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#listThat's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.


God...i don't even want to know how the post rock/math rock genre compares, hahaha

Highest rating is 4.42. 
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=32&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=55&y=8#list
Of course, it only has 32 ratings...


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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:



Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#listThat's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.


God...i don't even want to know how the post rock/math rock genre compares, hahaha

Highest rating is 4.42. 
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=32&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=0&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=55&y=8#list
Of course, it only has 32 ratings...

I could go for some dustsucker now.... mmmmm such a good album.

And I don't know where you're getting that whole lowest rated thing. They have "low" ratings, just like you said, because they have over 1500 votes. But with weighting, Images & Word's 4.29 will DESTROY Dustsucker on every list. So with many of the "high" rated subgenres, they have very ephemeral scores. If I were to rate Dustsucker 1 star, the rating would plummet. If I would rate I&W 1 star (which I obviously won't given my 2000+ word 5 star review), the rating wouldn't change.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Dream Theater have both top spots in the prog metal chart. And people complain about the lack of appreciation for them here?

Yes, but collectively Prog Metal is one of the lowest rated genres on the site.  Go ahead, check it out.  Also, check this out:
http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?ssubgenres=&salbumtypes=1&syears=&scountries=&sminratings=1500&smaxratings=0&sminavgratings=0&smaxresults=100&x=0&y=0#list

That's right, they are the lowest rated band with over 1500 votes.  This is why DT fans harp on the fact that they are hated around here - because they have to work the hardest to get anywhere on the PA charts.  The fans have to overcome all the haters to get them anywhere on the charts.

Krautrock, Neo-Prog, Progressive Electronic, Zeuhl, Post/Math Rock, Indo/Raga, Exp/Post Metal are all rated lower than Progressive Metal in the Top-100 chart. Seven qualifying genres are "rated" lower than Progressive Metal, if the 19 subgenres were represented equally in the chart each would have 5 albums - Prog Metal has 6 while Neo Prog has 2, (hell, even Zeuhl beats Neo Prog) and Post Rock has none, so there is no way that Prog Metal can whine about being one of the lowest rated genres on this site.
 
Dream Theatre have TWO albums in the chart - Krautrock has none - an entire effing genre of some of the most important music in European Prog isn't even represented in the Top 100, Progressive Electronic has ONE album and that's Tangerine Dream (nice name) who now represents the whole of the of the German contribution to Progressive Rock over the past 45 years by one flippin' album. Like Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree also have TWO albums in the chart, and they rank lower than Dream Thehater according to the "haters" around here because the highest they can achieve is #93 to DT's #44 ... I don't see anyone carping on about how badly Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree are treated around here.
 
Someone has to be the lowest rated band with 1500 votes, being beaten by the top 5 Prog bands OF ALL TIME is nothing to be angry or upset about - you have to lower the number to 1400 to even see Rush make an appearance, 1300 and Porcupine Tree appear, you have to lower it to 1200 to see Camel join the ranks, no new additions for 1100, at 1000 we finally see Marillion. So there you are ... of the Top Ten most "popular" Prog artists of all time Dream Theater "rank" at #6 above Rush, PT, Camel and Marillion - with multimillion selling artists like Mike Oldfiled, Peter Gabriel and ELP and critically aclaimed artists such as Van der Graff Generator or Gentle Giant not even making a showing. Dream Theatre's achievements and placings on the PA are something to be PROUD of, not something to cry about. Of the modern era bands Dream Theatre are doing very well - better than PT and far better than Radiohead, Sigur Ros or The Mars Volta (all of whom sell more albums than DT).
 
 
 
The ONLY DT fan that harps on about it is you. So stop complaining and start celebrating. Stern Smile
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
Oh, that thread is completely invalid.  It was controlled by the haters and the only purpose of it was for them to express their hatred of some of the most well known and respected Progressive bands ever.

That's funny - some of the most well known and respected progressive bands ever are in the Hall of Fame.


ya but everybody knows dtguitarfan is the biggest troll on this site (since Walter got banned, but at least he was fun)

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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:



Well I think QUEENSRŸCHE's album OPERATION MINDCRIME should be in the top ten. Not too many conceptual albums better than that one. My god it's good. It's a 5 starer for sure.


I still haven't listened to Queensryche. I really need to check them out.


Honestly, O:M is their only album that isn't entirely mediocre

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You can't compare Dream Theater with anyone because they are the bestest of all genres and all the rest of the bands are clones.





Yes yes!!!


i also dont understand sarcasm



Well, probably not reading this thread any more.
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