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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 20:34
When I was 17, ELP was the bomb-diggity. I'd play Lucky Man over and over and over. Whee! I'd have rated ELP's debut 5/5 10/10 15/15 A+ Two thumbs up five stars really super 10.0, swell and neato supreme. I was a FAN, dammit. 

Now that I'm the venerable age of 22, their entire approach disgusts me. I loathe almost everything they did save half the debut and one-fourth of Tarkus. I'd rather listen to Richard Cheese cover Pat Boone Sings Frank Sinatra singing Ella Fitzgerald singing Cole Porter does Gershwin Outtakes at this point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 06:23
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

When I was 17, ELP was the bomb-diggity. I'd play Lucky Man over and over and over. Whee! I'd have rated ELP's debut 5/5 10/10 15/15 A+ Two thumbs up five stars really super 10.0, swell and neato supreme. I was a FAN, dammit. 
Now that I'm the venerable age of 22, their entire approach disgusts me. I loathe almost everything they did save half the debut and one-fourth of Tarkus. I'd rather listen to Richard Cheese cover Pat Boone Sings Frank Sinatra singing Ella Fitzgerald singing Cole Porter does Gershwin Outtakes at this point.



Lol. Richard Cheese. Man...that is aweful. Anyway. You should start reviewing again. Get your stars back...you know you want it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 06:35
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 

ELP had many great tracks but no one masterpiece album.  

Brain Salad Surgery.
Trilogy
 
Agreed with Snow Dog ... I would even include Pictures at an Exhibition which is, by far, one of the best interpretations of the piece ever done! Tomita's is probably the 2nd one!

I think the debut is a masterpiece too.
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Disagree with all of these.  So...it is not an universal perception and therefore, none of their albums have 4.5 plus ratings.  They were just that kind of band.  Too inconsistent and too performance-oriented.  Welcome Back..., though, ought to get a very high rating, one of the best live prog albums.

I don't find them inconsitent at all. Thats just me though. The fact that people don't seem to like them as much now doesn't b other me either. makes me like them more.

You may not find BSS a masterpiece, but it is their masterpiece.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 07:07
The only reason Big Big Train are in the top 100 is because everyone gave their new album 5 stars, and then some collab PA reviewer gave 5 stars andthat clinched them in to the top albums. Oops that was me! Well it is a masterpiece, and deserves its status. It wont last though because others will review it later and it will settle out of the top 100.  I dont see what all the fuss is about. Its only a list. ELP should be there with BSS at least and Anglagard are there deservedly as they are so beloved around here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 08:10
Originally posted by lmaorofllollmao lmaorofllollmao wrote:

Elp is the most overrated prog band on earth. The problem is- THEYRE PRETENTIOUS AS HECK! While they are fine artists, it seems like lots of their songs is just a bunch of randomn playing on the keyboard, and then all the masses go "OMG THATS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY", not even thinking about what they're listening to.
Pretentious.. maybe. Random playing on keyboard in a lot of songs... Uhmm, are we listening to the same band? Can you give some examples?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 08:23
Originally posted by Ytse_Jam Ytse_Jam wrote:

Originally posted by lmaorofllollmao lmaorofllollmao wrote:

Elp is the most overrated prog band on earth. The problem is- THEYRE PRETENTIOUS AS HECK! While they are fine artists, it seems like lots of their songs is just a bunch of randomn playing on the keyboard, and then all the masses go "OMG THATS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY", not even thinking about what they're listening to.
Pretentious.. maybe. Random playing on keyboard in a lot of songs... Uhmm, are we listening to the same band? Can you give some examples?


Hmm to add further.... ELP are bombastic certainly but hardly pretentious I would say. They believed in the product and were never pretending to be anything else than musicians who loved to create art. Whats pretentious about that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 08:30
I'm afraid i've gone over the hill with ELP, let me explain in a formal manner.

Except for their debut (*****), Tarkus (*****), and maybe Still You turn Me On (***), i have never been pleased by emerson lake and palmer's somewhat nihilistic sound. I can't really notice ANY emotion wheni listen to "Karn Evil 9"...to me it's simply carnival music (pun intended), and most of their albums have alot of boring songs (specifically Tarkus).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:33
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP = Prog Marmite
I've never tasted "Marmite". Is it good?
In the past I have worked for the company who sells it. It wasn't a significan voice in our entries.
I can only give you an advice: don't think it's Nutella, you'll be disappointed Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:42
btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10 and I've started a thread to force The Human Equation into the top 100....I don't really care at all. Top 100 is a list of albums rated by a lot of people which can be useful for newbies searching for something to start with prog. 

Fans don't need to read about Close To The Edge or Thick as a Brick. The last albums I have reviewed are probably below the 1000th position. The important is that people is not suggested to spend money on garbage because of fanboys, but even if somebody can consider Anglagard or ELP not appropriate for the top 100 they are not garbage (even if we can discuss about Love Beach). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:43
Originally posted by lmaorofllollmao lmaorofllollmao wrote:

I'm afraid i've gone over the hill with ELP, let me explain in a formal manner.

Except for their debut (*****), Tarkus (*****), and maybe Still You turn Me On (***), i have never been pleased by emerson lake and palmer's somewhat nihilistic sound. I can't really notice ANY emotion wheni listen to "Karn Evil 9"...to me it's simply carnival music (pun intended), and most of their albums have alot of boring songs (specifically Tarkus).
 
Wait.... so you give Tarkus five stars and then say it has A LOT of boring songs? :S I thought you were only meant to give something five stars if you believe it's a complete masterpiece...
 
Anyway, I am surprised that ELP isn't rated higher. I haven't personally got into their sound yet (though I am young and life is long, so it's ok) but I do respect them deeply as musicians. They do lack the fine poetry that many other progressive bands have, but the instrumental passages are sometimes really interesting. On another note, I've never understood much of the love for some swedish progressive bands... which I guess sucks since I live in Sweden. I really want to go to the prog festival here in Stockholm but I don't like ANY of the bands AT ALL. And I listen mostly to prog... how ironic is that :D Änglagård is one of those bands that I never got into, Anekdoten and Trettiåriga Kriget are others. So I'm a bit surprised at how appreciated they are around here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:47
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btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:51
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 

You may not find BSS a masterpiece, but it is their masterpiece.

Such a statement could only mean either of two things:

(a)  BSS is most eligible of their albums to be a masterpiece, being possibly their best.  

(b)   At the time of its release, BSS was hailed as a masterpiece by fans and the media.  

What is a masterpiece is purely a matter of opinion in rock being that it depends heavily on its epoch, on the flavour of the season and less on empirical achievements in the music.  BSS might have been a masterpiece for many in the 70s generation, but that doesn't preclude me from saying I don't consider it a masterpiece.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 09:52
Wow, this is funny thread, please allow me to participate slighlty Approve

Originally posted by lmaorofllollmao lmaorofllollmao wrote:

I'm afraid i've gone over the hill with ELP, let me explain in a formal manner.

Except for their debut (*****), Tarkus (*****), and maybe Still You turn Me On (***), i have never been pleased by emerson lake and palmer's somewhat nihilistic sound. I can't really notice ANY emotion wheni listen to "Karn Evil 9"...to me it's simply carnival music (pun intended), and most of their albums have alot of boring songs (specifically Tarkus).


I agree that personally I do not like Brain Salad Surgery, except for the two first marvelous tracks. Their debut and Pictures at An Exhibition are really great then, though the Nutrocker is quite annoying in my humble opinion.
About the feelings, I quess nihilistic anxiety can be a state of emotion also, though not possibly enjoyble by all?
Trilogy and Tarkus have great moments, but also some uninteresting sequences too.

I personally never liked Änglagård as much as majority, though there are wonderful moments among annoying arrangements and compositional solutions. Same blasphyme I'' iconoclast for King Crimson's debut (which I think they reworked better for their second album) and Van Der Graaf Generator's "Pawn Hearts", where the grat themes are in my opinion lost to too confusing aprroach and cacophonic perspection. Maybe I haven't had enough LSD to tune in to the record. As a remark - I think the studio recording process has somehow affected to the end result in negative way for me, as the filmed live in studio version of "Plague of The Lighthouse Keeppers" is much better than on the LP, actually very wonderful.

Hmmh... "Hybris". That was #1 already in 2004 when observing the history link revealing how lovely everything was banck then... Dead It is enthusiastic blow on the renaissance of symphonic prog of 90's, and the darker Swedish mellotron-drive wave of bands from that time really reveals that the country is inhabited by feeling and artistically skillful musical people, real offspring of Bellman who hailed high culture when across the bay people were eating fish eyes in the forests and crawling in sh*t with some reindeer capes Tongue
Got my own copy of that debut CD from the shop around millenia's change for 15€, and noted at some point that it was exchanging owners for about 100$ in ebay. Hopefully the reissues are done, and I really look forward of the latest Viljan's Öga album. One song I heard was muych moar consistent from structure than the compositions on their eralier two albums.

I think all kind of lists indicate some sort of trends and fashions, never objective truth of quality as such can't measure. I suggest focusing to form own opinions and enjoy the world's beautiful artifacts without comparing your likings to other people's opinions. I dare to claimn it's one step closer to independence and freedom of compassion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:03
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
Oh, that thread is completely invalid.  It was controlled by the haters and the only purpose of it was for them to express their hatred of some of the most well known and respected Progressive bands ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:04
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
Oh, that thread is completely invalid.  It was controlled by the haters and the only purpose of it was for them to express their hatred of some of the most well known and respected Progressive bands ever.


Invalid? LOL

Stop being ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:21
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:


I think all kind of lists indicate some sort of trends and fashions, never objective truth of quality as such can't measure. I suggest focusing to form own opinions and enjoy the world's beautiful artifacts without comparing your likings to other people's opinions. I dare to claimn it's one step closer to independence and freedom of compassion.




Well said and completely concur.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:29
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
Oh, that thread is completely invalid.  It was controlled by the haters and the only purpose of it was for them to express their hatred of some of the most well known and respected Progressive bands ever.

That's funny - some of the most well known and respected progressive bands ever are in the Hall of Fame.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:32
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 

You may not find BSS a masterpiece, but it is their masterpiece.

Such a statement could only mean either of two things:

(a)  BSS is most eligible of their albums to be a masterpiece, being possibly their best.  

(b)   At the time of its release, BSS was hailed as a masterpiece by fans and the media.  

What is a masterpiece is purely a matter of opinion in rock being that it depends heavily on its epoch, on the flavour of the season and less on empirical achievements in the music.  BSS might have been a masterpiece for many in the 70s generation, but that doesn't preclude me from saying I don't consider it a masterpiece.   

Of course not. You have been saying that from the beginning.Not trying to convince you. Just disagreeing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:34
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

btw, I think CAMEL should be on top 10


Hell yes they should. I can't believe they got voted into the Hall of Shame in the Battle of the Bands thread.
Oh, that thread is completely invalid.  It was controlled by the haters and the only purpose of it was for them to express their hatred of some of the most well known and respected Progressive bands ever.

That's funny - some of the most well know and respected progressive bands ever are in the Hall of Fame.


With the exception of Camel and Kraftwerk, I agree completely with both Halls.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 10:42
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Is there no equivalent to marmite in the USA?

I think I saw some marmites when I went hiking at 10,000+ ft. out in Colorado....

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