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Posted: August 02 2012 at 21:25
Epignosis wrote:
So no, Steve. I don't want my prog to sound like Nickelback, thank you very much.
Except, contemporary music need not be Nickelback, it could be Mars Volta or Tool, to reiterate Wilson's examples or Bjork, Massive Attack, Mastodon among many others.
However, I highly doubt that exposure to new music is the only way a musician makes something fresh or daring.
I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:08
Epignosis wrote:
I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
TMV remind me of a bunch of kids hyped up on Red Bull. To me, their music lacks focus and it just sounds like one chaotic mess. I can barely listen to them and I'm thankful I never have blown my hard earned money on one of their albums. There are some bands that you just have to see what the hype is about. Thankfully, I was inquisitive enough to check them out on YouTube.
Edited by Mirror Image - August 02 2012 at 22:09
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:13
Mellotron Storm wrote:
The T wrote:
Steven Wilson is rather close to an imbecile when he opens his mouth. When he shuts up and plays his little simple instruments he fares way better.
Anyway, if what he's being doing recently is supposed to be the real standard for real "progressive" rock, count me out of that stupid train. Porcupine Tree is rather always good (except the last album) but Wilson's multiple projects in recent years all make me yawn and get sleepy.
And that's beside the point. He just showed he's a child. He looks like a child, and acts like a child.
I've always said: that one person is extremely good at something doesn't mean they are extremely good at giving opinions, or even that they're intelligent.
Are we talking about the same person here ? Unless your only example is this 7 year old interview which does make him look immature i'd love to see them.
Any interviews i've read with him have been nothing but intelligent and thoughtful. Whether it's about progressive music in general or his work in the studio re-mixing King Crimson, ELP or Jethro Tull he always has my full attention.
The fact most of his music makes you yawn and sleepy is simply your tastes just like classical music bores the hell out of me, no ones right or wrong it's just opinions and tastes my friend.
It's the second or third time he has given pompous interviews. This time he borders on idiocy. But he has shown to be arrogant many times.
Yes, part of what I said was based on my tastes. That doesn't make my very last sentence wrong. It applies perfectly to this case and to the persona of Steven Wilson.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:18
Getting back to the Wilson/Stolt topic, the more I read Wilson's comments, the angrier I get. I think it showed what a class act he is by bashing other musicians who he felt didn't follow his little narrow idea of what progressive music should be. As I said, he made some valid points, but he didn't need to act the way he did. It's one thing to give your opinion, but it's a completely different animal altogether to bash other musicians. What did Stolt do to him? What did Wilson possibly have to gain from degrading The Flower Kings or Transatlantic? He could have simply said he didn't care for their music, but the interviewer didn't ask him to go into great detail about it. It was a simple yes or no question that Wilson took to mean it was time to flaunt his apparent massive ego.
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I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
TMV remind me of a bunch of kids hyped up on Red Bull. To me, their music lacks focus and it just sounds like one chaotic mess. I can barely listen to them and I'm thankful I never have blown my hard earned money on one of their albums. There are some bands that you just have to see what the hype is about. Thankfully, I was inquisitive enough to check them out on YouTube.
I just want to mention that I was one who "checked them out" online numerous times and did not like them. It was not until I bought two of their albums (yes two- the store gave a freebie every ten you bought) that I began to like them. I got Frances the Mute and Amputechture right before a week long vacation. I am now a fan.
By the way, if you want to approach them, please try Octahedron. It is a much mellower album. Check it out!
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:23
Mirror Image wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
TMV remind me of a bunch of kids hyped up on Red Bull. To me, their music lacks focus and it just sounds like one chaotic mess. I can barely listen to them and I'm thankful I never have blown my hard earned money on one of their albums. There are some bands that you just have to see what the hype is about. Thankfully, I was inquisitive enough to check them out on YouTube.
How about this?
And this? (the first 1:25 or so is a barely audible ambient drone opening; you can skip it if you want).
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:27
darkshade wrote:
The problem is, Porcupine Tree is (was) no more progressive than The Flower Kings were (are), so all of SWilson's comments are null and void,
Quite spot on!
And please recall that every other project that SW was/is in fails to get as much attention as PT, except for the stuff released under his name and Storm Corrosion, but those are only three bands out of the dozens he had/has.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:33
Sorry guys, I just don't like The Mars Volta. I definitely don't like the vocalist. He just doesn't jive well with me. I also like more instrumental virtuosity and interplay between the musicians.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:37
Mirror Image wrote:
Sorry guys, I just don't like The Mars Volta. I definitely don't like the vocalist. He just doesn't jive well with me. I also like more instrumental virtuosity and interplay between the musicians.
Their albums are hit or miss for me as well. Wile I don't like their most "successful" (mostly boring for me) albums, I like their "bad" albums a lot. Cedric does have a terrible vocal tone, being surpassed only by LaBrie, and the way he chooses to sing only makes everything worse.
All in all, it's a reasonably good band, but I never understood why people like it to the point of LOVING it at all.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 22:41
CCVP wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Sorry guys, I just don't like The Mars Volta. I definitely don't like the vocalist. He just doesn't jive well with me. I also like more instrumental virtuosity and interplay between the musicians.
Their albums are hit or miss for me as well. Wile I don't like their most "successful" (mostly boring for me) albums, I like their "bad" albums a lot. Cedric does have a terrible vocal tone, being surpassed only by LaBrie, and the way he chooses to sing only makes everything worse.
All in all, it's a reasonably good band, but I never understood why people like it to the point of LOVING it at all.
The band is a just a miss for me and I'm glad I didn't waste a whole lot of time on them. I just like the Symphonic Prog stuff more, but, again, this is just my preference.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 23:02
Mirror Image wrote:
CCVP wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Sorry guys, I just don't like The Mars Volta. I definitely don't like the vocalist. He just doesn't jive well with me. I also like more instrumental virtuosity and interplay between the musicians.
Their albums are hit or miss for me as well. Wile I don't like their most "successful" (mostly boring for me) albums, I like their "bad" albums a lot. Cedric does have a terrible vocal tone, being surpassed only by LaBrie, and the way he chooses to sing only makes everything worse.
All in all, it's a reasonably good band, but I never understood why people like it to the point of LOVING it at all.
The band is a just a miss for me and I'm glad I didn't waste a whole lot of time on them. I just like the Symphonic Prog stuff more, but, again, this is just my preference.
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 23:15
Mirror Image wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
TMV remind me of a bunch of kids hyped up on Red Bull. To me, their music lacks focus and it just sounds like one chaotic mess. I can barely listen to them and I'm thankful I never have blown my hard earned money on one of their albums. There are some bands that you just have to see what the hype is about. Thankfully, I was inquisitive enough to check them out on YouTube.
You need to stop saying ridiculous things about TMV. You don't have to like them, but your criticisms of them are absurd.
It would be like me saying, "I hate DT. Just a bunch of guys who play a 16/8 time signature for 38 minutes and think it's cool."
Or, "I hate Univers Zero. It's just a bunch of people farting into bassoons."
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 23:18
lol didn't see this thread before
I, to some degree, agree with Stephen Wilson, but only because the other school of bands mentioned here bores me to tears. Not that I like PT much either...
I won't judge Wilson for being an a****le because he still falls short of Dave Mustaine, who I happen to quite like.
CCVP wrote:
Cedric does have a terrible vocal tone, being surpassed
only by LaBrie, and the way he chooses to sing only makes everything
worse.
also dis
Edited by Triceratopsoil - August 02 2012 at 23:21
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 23:38
Anthony H. wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I have said many times that I consider The Mars Volta to be one of the most innovative bands of the 21st century. They are far more interesting (and consistent!) than those who are just trying to be different.
No matter what TMV as done since their inception, one can always tell he is listening to TMV, and not just because of Cedric's voice!
TMV remind me of a bunch of kids hyped up on Red Bull. To me, their music lacks focus and it just sounds like one chaotic mess. I can barely listen to them and I'm thankful I never have blown my hard earned money on one of their albums. There are some bands that you just have to see what the hype is about. Thankfully, I was inquisitive enough to check them out on YouTube.
You need to stop saying ridiculous things about TMV. You don't have to like them, but your criticisms of them are absurd.
It would be like me saying, "I hate DT. Just a bunch of guys who play a 16/8 time signature for 38 minutes and think it's cool."
Or, "I hate Univers Zero. It's just a bunch of people farting into bassoons."
It's stupid, and all it does is piss people off.
I'm just joking around so no need to take it all so personally. I do, however, stand by criticism that their music lacks focus. It's okay to like something that you don't right? I was just making sure before I go and give another one of those absurd opinions of mine.
Just relax man. Everything will be well. The world didn't end because I don't like The Mars Volta.
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