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Saperlipopette! 
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 Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:13 |
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Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in. |
You're wrong. Not about the loyalty, . Something that could never happen to bands like Camel, Gentle Giant or ELP. They're one of the few UK progbands (along with Henry Cow , King Crimson and Soft Machine... basically all the ones you dislike the most) that's got crossover potential, and has music interested fans coming from all over the musical map.
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Firstly, I like Soft Machine; I've never said otherwise.
"but VdGG feature outside your prog groups, and are among the few that I've get (positive) attention in different music magazines from Mojo & Uncut to The Wire"
Given that all the other three bands are defunct or only perform sporadically whilst VDGG are an active band, that is hardly surprising. And I certainly don't consider those magazines to be of any merit whatsoever. However, in the 70s all three bands you quote were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the music press (NME, Melody Maker, Sounds) than VDGG ever did (except in Italy, perhaps); in ELP's case, vastly so.
In my local prog group (150 active members and rising), we have only played about 3 VDGG tracks in all the time I've been attending; all three of the bands you quote feature practically every time. |
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It's not about those magazine's merits. I'm just proving you wrong. Although VdGG were relatively obscure in the UK when you grew up, they now have have a much broader fanbase than most of your favorite progbands (not necessarily containing more people). Although the three bands I qoute were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the NME, Melody Maker, Sounds etc in the 70's, they are never featured anywhere outside the specialised progpress anymore (except on worst albums ever lists). That was more or less the point I was trying to make. You think every VdGG van is on this site, but its more likely that every Camel fan is here.
So while ELP are ridiculed everywhere except in local prog groups and on PA, VdGG's influence and fanbase grows larger every year, and even reaches people not interested in prog. Its not about my tastes against yours, I love both Camel and GG, and only buy the magazines I mentioned if I notice they got special features on kraut, psych, progressive electronic, jazzrock, RIO or KC/VdGG etc...
Edited by Saperlipopette! - July 18 2012 at 05:14
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:30 |
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Dream Theater is the only logical answer. |
But Andy, in terms of lineup changes and general shenanigans, including a couple of real bum albums, DT are pure amateurs in comparison. |
Steve, this is irrelevant to the question.
I agree with DT
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:33 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
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Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in. |
You're wrong. Not about the loyalty, . Something that could never happen to bands like Camel, Gentle Giant or ELP. They're one of the few UK progbands (along with Henry Cow , King Crimson and Soft Machine... basically all the ones you dislike the most) that's got crossover potential, and has music interested fans coming from all over the musical map.
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Firstly, I like Soft Machine; I've never said otherwise.
"but VdGG feature outside your prog groups, and are among the few that I've get (positive) attention in different music magazines from Mojo & Uncut to The Wire"
Given that all the other three bands are defunct or only perform sporadically whilst VDGG are an active band, that is hardly surprising. And I certainly don't consider those magazines to be of any merit whatsoever. However, in the 70s all three bands you quote were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the music press (NME, Melody Maker, Sounds) than VDGG ever did (except in Italy, perhaps); in ELP's case, vastly so.
In my local prog group (150 active members and rising), we have only played about 3 VDGG tracks in all the time I've been attending; all three of the bands you quote feature practically every time. |
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It's not about those magazine's merits. I'm just proving you wrong. Although VdGG were relatively obscure in the UK when you grew up, they now have have a much broader fanbase than most of your favorite progbands (not necessarily containing more people). Although the three bands I qoute were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the NME, Melody Maker, Sounds etc in the 70's, they are never featured anywhere outside the specialised progpress anymore (except on worst albums ever lists). That was more or less the point I was trying to make. You think every VdGG van is on this site, but its more likely that every Camel fan is here.
So while ELP are ridiculed everywhere except in local prog groups and on PA, VdGG's influence and fanbase grows larger every year, and even reaches people not interested in prog. Its not about my tastes against yours, I love both Camel and GG, and only buy the magazines I mentioned if I notice they got special features on kraut, psych, progressive electronic, jazzrock, RIO or KC/VdGG etc...
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This makes a lot of sense to me about VDGG having a broader appeal. But ELP are ridiculed here also, so your wrong about that. 
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:36 |
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I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:42 |
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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Can't say I noticed. I don't do this is all I can say. And I know others don't.
Edited by Snow Dog - July 18 2012 at 05:43
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:43 |
Beatless have the most dedicated fanbase, you could dig up the worst thinkable album based on the worst demo tapes, and it would go trible platinum is a few days. would be all over the media, and would get insane airplay. They are ahead of every other rock band by a large margin. Strictly prog. my guess is that Genesis & Floyd would be able to fill the larges spaces. Regarding very loyal fans (i love everything they did) , i guess Tool, Crimson, & DT got a good amount of those. I dont count, cos im not a fanatic Crimson fan, im a fanatic Fripp fan
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:48 |
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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The question was not directed at PA was it ?
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:51 |
tamijo wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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The question was not directed at PA was it ?
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I think it is. The question is "Of all the prog bands across all genres and sub genres which band...." EDIT: You're right, I totally forgot about The Beatles and Pink Floyd, they do have a massive fan base.
Edited by sagichim - July 18 2012 at 06:07
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:53 |
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sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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Can't say I noticed. I don't do this is all I can say. And I know others don't.
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I noticed it many times.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 06:05 |
Yes i read that....but it dosent say Of all the prog bands across all genres and sub genres which band..........ON PA. Its two very diffrent questions - out in the real world Crimson/GG/Van der graf. would not be that big, but here they are huge. Genesis / Floyd / DT the other way around. Basicly on PA easy to get into dosent make extra fans, outside it does. And nothing wrong with that, we are not a radio station selling bubble gum based on listner ratings.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 06:24 |
tamijo wrote:
Yes i read that....but it dosent say Of all the prog bands across all genres and sub genres which band..........ON PA. Its two very diffrent questions - out in the real world Crimson/GG/Van der graf. would not be that big, but here they are huge. Genesis / Floyd / DT the other way around. Basicly on PA easy to get into dosent make extra fans, outside it does. And nothing wrong with that, we are not a radio station selling bubble gum based on listner ratings.
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I know that, that's why I didn't include KC or GG, which seem to have as much fans here as Pink Floyd, Beatles, Yes or Genesis, but outside they don't match.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:14 |
sagichim wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars.
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Can't say I noticed. I don't do this is all I can say. And I know others don't.
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I noticed it many times.
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Show me.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 09:24 |
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Remember, the question is which bands have the most dedicated and passionate fans, not the most amount of fans.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 09:42 |
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars. |
Can't say I noticed. I don't do this is all I can say. And I know others don't.
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I noticed it many times. |
Show me. |
Pretty much anyone who rates Train Of Thoughts to be equally as good as Scenes From A Memory.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 09:59 |
sagichim wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I think Genesis, Yes and DT has the largest fan base here, rating almost every album with 5 stars. |
Can't say I noticed. I don't do this is all I can say. And I know others don't.
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I noticed it many times. |
Show me. |
Pretty much anyone who rates Train Of Thoughts to be equally as good as Scenes From A Memory. |
You are speaking nonsense. Why can't someone think it is as good? I would give it 5 stars.
But I was thinking of examples of the other bands you cited.
Edited by Snow Dog - July 18 2012 at 10:00
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 10:09 |
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 10:11 |
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I didn't say it was wrong, I would rate a lot of albums 5 stars that most people wouldn't, what I mean is that a passionate fan would probably do that. Same goes for the other bands I cited. You can look it up yourself, I saw several times when 5 stars ratings were granted for entire discographies.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 10:18 |
sagichim wrote:
I didn't say it was wrong, I would rate a lot of albums 5 stars that most people wouldn't, what I mean is that a passionate fan would probably do that. Same goes for the other bands I cited. You can look it up yourself, I saw several times when 5 stars ratings were granted for entire discographies. |
Yes but that is just freaks and can apply to any band under the sun.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 10:23 |
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They are just die hard fans, and there are a lot of them here. I would say I'm a huge fan of KC but I won't give half their albums 5 stars.
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