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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:30 |
 lazland wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Dream Theater is the only logical answer. |
But Andy, in terms of lineup changes and general shenanigans, including a couple of real bum albums, DT are pure amateurs in comparison. |
Steve, this is irrelevant to the question.
I agree with DT
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 05:13 |
Hercules wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
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Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in. |
You're wrong. Not about the loyalty, . Something that could never happen to bands like Camel, Gentle Giant or ELP. They're one of the few UK progbands (along with Henry Cow , King Crimson and Soft Machine... basically all the ones you dislike the most) that's got crossover potential, and has music interested fans coming from all over the musical map.
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Firstly, I like Soft Machine; I've never said otherwise.
"but VdGG feature outside your prog groups, and are among the few that I've get (positive) attention in different music magazines from Mojo & Uncut to The Wire"
Given that all the other three bands are defunct or only perform sporadically whilst VDGG are an active band, that is hardly surprising. And I certainly don't consider those magazines to be of any merit whatsoever. However, in the 70s all three bands you quote were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the music press (NME, Melody Maker, Sounds) than VDGG ever did (except in Italy, perhaps); in ELP's case, vastly so.
In my local prog group (150 active members and rising), we have only played about 3 VDGG tracks in all the time I've been attending; all three of the bands you quote feature practically every time. |
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It's not about those magazine's merits. I'm just proving you wrong. Although VdGG were relatively obscure in the UK when you grew up, they now have have a much broader fanbase than most of your favorite progbands (not necessarily containing more people). Although the three bands I qoute were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the NME, Melody Maker, Sounds etc in the 70's, they are never featured anywhere outside the specialised progpress anymore (except on worst albums ever lists). That was more or less the point I was trying to make. You think every VdGG van is on this site, but its more likely that every Camel fan is here.
So while ELP are ridiculed everywhere except in local prog groups and on PA, VdGG's influence and fanbase grows larger every year, and even reaches people not interested in prog. Its not about my tastes against yours, I love both Camel and GG, and only buy the magazines I mentioned if I notice they got special features on kraut, psych, progressive electronic, jazzrock, RIO or KC/VdGG etc...
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Atavachron
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 03:02 |
I've always been impressed by the King-Crimson-forever fanbase's lust. Of course, I do not mean King Crimson is overrated.
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ScorchedFirth
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 20:50 |
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Marillion's online support that allows them the freedom to make records on their own terms is a good argument for the current Marillion fans. They even have like a marillion convention every 2 years or something. (i don't know so much myself as I am mostly interested in the fish era stuff)
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Wanorak
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 20:49 |
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Judging by the recent NA tour and the Montreal Weekend I attended, then Marillion has a rabid fanbase!!
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 20:31 |
Zappa's fanbase is pretty solid I would think. And Pink Floyd! DT and Tool are obvious ones, and we had much fun with it a while back  |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 19:41 |
I was thinking Rush no. 1, Floyd no. 2, and maybe even Crimson no. 3.
Dellinger wrote:
Oh, well. I feel there's one huge band, with a huge and dedicated fan-base, that hasn't been mentioned yet. Pink Floyd. Within and outside of prog, they have one of the biggest fan-bases. |
OK, I'm changing it:
Floyd - no. 1 Rush - no. 2 Crimson - no. 3
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 19:12 |
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I would think a poll actually requires the presence of a poll. Dream Theater and Rush seem to have the most rabidly dedicated fans around her. I don't share their enthusiasm and no disrespect.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Dellinger
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 19:08 |
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Oh, well. I feel there's one huge band, with a huge and dedicated fan-base, that hasn't been mentioned yet. Pink Floyd. Within and outside of prog, they have one of the biggest fan-bases.
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Hercules
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 18:07 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in. |
You're wrong. Not about the loyalty, . Something that could never happen to bands like Camel, Gentle Giant or ELP. They're one of the few UK progbands (along with Henry Cow , King Crimson and Soft Machine... basically all the ones you dislike the most) that's got crossover potential, and has music interested fans coming from all over the musical map.
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Firstly, I like Soft Machine; I've never said otherwise.
"but VdGG feature outside your prog groups, and are among the few that I've get (positive) attention in different music magazines from Mojo & Uncut to The Wire"
Given that all the other three bands are defunct or only perform sporadically whilst VDGG are an active band, that is hardly surprising. And I certainly don't consider those magazines to be of any merit whatsoever. However, in the 70s all three bands you quote were considerably more prominent and featured much more in the music press (NME, Melody Maker, Sounds) than VDGG ever did (except in Italy, perhaps); in ELP's case, vastly so.
In my local prog group (150 active members and rising), we have only played about 3 VDGG tracks in all the time I've been attending; all three of the bands you quote feature practically every time.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 17:42 |
Hercules wrote:
Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in. |
You're wrong. Not about the loyalty, but VdGG feature outside your prog groups, and are among the few that I've get (positive) attention in different music magazines from Mojo & Uncut to The Wire. Something that could never happen to bands like Camel, Gentle Giant or ELP. They're one of the few UK progbands (along with Henry Cow , King Crimson and Soft Machine... basically all the ones you dislike the most) that's got crossover potential, and has music interested fans coming from all over the musical map.
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 17:35 |
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Yeah, I'd say Rush, Dream Theater and Magma have some the biggest fanbases in rock music. I would think The Mars Volta have a very large cult following as well, even from the very start of their career. A lot of fans were pulled over from the At The Drive In days, prior, plus Deloused was a huge album with tons of commercial success and critical reception.
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 17:26 |
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DT and Magma.
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Horizons
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 17:07 |
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Rush.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Hercules
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 17:07 |
Van Der Graaf Generator.
I think every fan they have is on this site and their loyalty is astonishing; VDGG NEVER feature much in other prog groups I'm involved in.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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rushfan4
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 16:39 |
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DT and Tool have had some pretty rabid fans frequent PA.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 16:28 |
lazland wrote:
Andy Webb wrote:
Dream Theater is the only logical answer. |
But Andy, in terms of lineup changes and general shenanigans, including a couple of real bum albums, DT are pure amateurs in comparison. |
True, but in terms of fanatically obsessed fans, I think they win. I can count myself among them. 
I mean, they had Falling into Infinity and the departure of Mike Portnoy. 
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lazland
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 16:07 |
Andy Webb wrote:
Dream Theater is the only logical answer. |
But Andy, in terms of lineup changes and general shenanigans, including a couple of real bum albums, DT are pure amateurs in comparison.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: July 17 2012 at 16:04 |
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Dream Theater is the only logical answer.
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