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Welcome to Prog Archives, where the mention of anything Dream Theater related turns into a pissing match.
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^Just like the old days.Wink
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Don't understand  the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me.
They are both very competent drummers, both are capable of some nice polyrhythm, polymeter and ostinato drumming that form the "bedrock" of complex timesignature music that we all know and love and that people like Bruford and Bozzio are famed for. After that it's down to personal preference and taste - I find too many fills to be wearing and distracting and for that Harrison is more restrained and subtle, complimenting the other instruments rather than fighting them. Portnoy's very good and one day he'll actually hit that huge gong he makes his drum techs cart all over the world, but I prefer Harrison.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Don't understand  the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me.
They are both very competent drummers, both are capable of some nice polyrhythm, polymeter and ostinato drumming that form the "bedrock" of complex timesignature music that we all know and love and that people like Bruford and Bozzio are famed for. After that it's down to personal preference and taste - I find too many fills to be wearing and distracting and for that Harrison is more restrained and subtle, complimenting the other instruments rather than fighting them. Portnoy's very good and one day he'll actually hit that huge gong he makes his drum techs cart all over the world, but I prefer Harrison.

Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
Perhaps this will explain my appreciation (adulation?) for Harrison a little better:
 
 
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:


Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.

It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 
Period. 
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)

You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better?

Oh, now I understand! Drumming is merely an exercise in mathematics! Silly me, I always thought there was some kind of human element involved...

I always thought that when people say "Mike Portnoy plays like a soulless machine", it's meant as an (unwarranted, IMO) insult. Only now do I realize that it must be a compliment.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
Perhaps this will explain my appreciation (adulation?) for Harrison a little better:
 

 

It does. Thanks for that. I shall continue to explore his work.Thumbs Up
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Gavin is not just a good drummer but also a good teacher and inpirational, and he have good natural pedagogical skill, he is very good to explain things about drumming, music, and stuff, even as a non-drummer i learn ways to aproach my own instrument by listing to how he approach things/music,

Gavin is part of a school of drumming i in particurlarly like very much, a group of drummer that have ALOT in commen when it comes to appraoch to drumming he and 4-5 other known drummers are part of that small elite grouping
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The drummer in my band recently became a Gavin Harrison disciple.  He got his instructional DVD and he's been bringing some pretty neat new tricks into rehearsal.  He now thinks he's pretty much the best drummer in the world.  All because some friend showed him a PT DVD, and I then lent him some CDs.

I can't honestly say I've listened to enough Dream Theater to have any educated opinion on Portnoy's drumming, but I'm sure he's a wizard as well.
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:O
look this out HolyMoly
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^  some very nice atmospheric moments where he reigns it in and lays down a tempo punctuated with dramatic effect and some very cool fills, and there are some excellent drum solos, but it's just shame that some of them are during the "song" ... fills over the singing that reduce LaBrie's part to a rhythm-singer, same during Petrucci's solo at the 9 minute mark, the extraneous fills are distracting. (just my opinion of course, some like that kind of thing, but it's what killed Six Degrees for me - great but just too much of it)

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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

:O
look this out HolyMoly

He really gets the most out of those double bass drum pedals.  My band's drummer has recently started bringing those to rehearsal, it's really a neat sound if you can do it.  Totally new technique to learn though, it looks hard as hell.

That was a pretty good song, and a fine drum performance.


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^ That's from their last album Black Clouds & Silver Linings. Good DT album, if you ask me, better than half their discography.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

^ That's from their last album Black Clouds & Silver Linings. Good DT album, if you ask me, better than half their discography.

Their last album was A Series of Unfortunate Events.....is that what it's  called? I always forget.LOL
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

^ That's from their last album Black Clouds & Silver Linings. Good DT album, if you ask me, better than half their discography.

Their last album was A Series of Unfortunate Events.....is that what it's  called? I always forget.LOL


I mean 'last', as in the last album before their newest album.


Black Clouds = Portnoy's exhaustion with DT, thus leaving

Silver Linings = DT gets an even better drummer for the new album, and becomes a better band.

You guys may not have liked Mike Portnoy's concepts and themes over the last few albums, but it looks like his plan worked. Wink
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

^ That's from their last album Black Clouds & Silver Linings. Good DT album, if you ask me, better than half their discography.

Their last album was A Series of Unfortunate Events.....is that what it's  called? I always forget.LOL


I mean 'last', as in the last album before their newest album.


Then your words were wrong. But all is clear now. The Black Clouds have passed. Now we see a clown on a tighrope.


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Harrison for me. Big Porcupine Tree fan at the moment. He just has better musicality and taste/groove and I think PT are a better band.

Kind of unrelated to the music Portnoy has put out with DT but has anyone seen the recent drum battle between Portnoy and the Dillinger Escape Plan drummer Billy Rymer? Check it out.

Rymer beats him all ends up.
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Originally posted by Souljacker Souljacker wrote:


Kind of unrelated to the music Portnoy has put out with DT but has anyone seen the recent drum battle between Portnoy and the Dillinger Escape Plan drummer Billy Rymer? Check it out.

Rymer beats him all ends up.
Oh, that was nice - most of the time Rymer was just using snare, hi-hat and bass - that was sooo nice, real intuitive drumming. Approve
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