Portnoy vs. Harrison
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Topic: Portnoy vs. Harrison
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Subject: Portnoy vs. Harrison
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:53
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Which drummer do you prefer? Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater or Gavin Harrison of Porcupine Tree?
And remember, it's for which DRUMMING do you prefer. So no "LULZ GAVVINN IZ BETTAR CUZ PORTNOI R TEH GROWLZZZ!!!" |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:01
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I doubt there are any Gavin parts Portnoy couldn't play with 5 minutes of practicing. Maybe it works the other way, too. I predict Gavin winning because PT is "less w**ky" or "more tasteful," or however you want to spin in. Both drummers are really good.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:07
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Chris Maitland ?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:08
| While I like Portnoy, I think Harrison is much better. |
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:15
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I enjoy both drummers very much... but I'll have to go with Gavin because of his jazzy tendencies and his overall style. -------------  
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:30
This poll is a joke... Portnoy without question! 
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Posted By: alanight
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:36
| This poll is a joke... Harrison without question! |
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:46
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alanight wrote:Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:52
| I prefer Gavin's style over Portnoy's, though obviously Portnoy is also an excellent drummer. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:59
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I like both. No vote! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 17:07
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Horses for courses! No vote- two exceptional drummers. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 18:54
I don't think this poll makes much sense..meh
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 18:57
| Portnoy, easily. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 18:57
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Harrison. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 19:58
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Gavin Harrison has unparalleled groove and feel in the world of modern prog rock.
Mike can play any technical thing that is handed him...but I enjoy Gavin more, and that's what counts. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 20:41
Seconded. I will actually pass on voting for the two options presented though, both are amazing drummers, but each does their own thing and don't really compare well against each other. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: TheClosing
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 20:43
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 20:54
| I honestly thought this would be closer. My pick is Portnoy without question. I thought it'd be a more interesting poll than this. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 21:04
| Portnoy has one of my least favourite snare tones ever |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 21:24
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Gavin gets my vote, no competition ------------- Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 05:20
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Both are fantastic drummers, and up there with my favourites. I will go with Harrison by the slightest hair. His playing is just out of this world. But Portnoy is certainly not far behind. He's incredible. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 06:06
I mean, uh... Portnoy is technically the better drummer, but I much prefer Harrison's style. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 06:39
| Gavin Harrison |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 06:54
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I have to say the present score in this poll really surprises me.
As good as Harrison is (and believe me he is very very good) he should not be this far ahead of Portnoy who is one of the very best drummers I've ever heard/seen. I suspect there's just too much of the anti DT sentiment creeping in here and clouding judgement. Take away any of the usual peripheral stuff surrounding DT and Portnoy out of the equation and judge them on their abilities please.
Sorry Gav, this just has to be Portnoy.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 07:33
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Mike Portnoy, one of my favourite drummers. ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 07:34
The poll question is "which is better" but the first post asks "which do you prefer?" (and does so twice). I agree Portnoy is more skilled, but I much prefer Harrison's smoother style and sound. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 12:25
yess! |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 12:34
I agree, but oh well. Every forum has its biases. And whats with everyone asking about Chris Maitland? |
Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 12:57
| I prefer Gavin, but I'm a big fan of Portnoy as well. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 13:29
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Portnoy for sure... he has influenced almost every single part of prog rock in the last 15 years... I think his work in DT, and side project and collaboration with Neal Morse, Transatlantic, LTE, John Arch, Avenged Sevenfold, O.S.I. and so on... his better... and I like him way more than Gavin... though he is the best musician in Porcupine Tree... ------------- |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 13:29
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Portnoy for sure... he has influenced almost every single part of prog rock in the last 15 years... I think his work in DT, and side project and collaboration with Neal Morse, Transatlantic, LTE, John Arch, Avenged Sevenfold, O.S.I. and so on... his better... and I like him way more than Gavin... though he is the best musician in Porcupine Tree... ------------- |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 10:14
I agree, I really like Gavin and he's a skilled drummer but I think Portnoy wins by a longshot.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 11:15
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Harrison is actually the more technical drummer (if you play drums you'll know why) and in general the better of the two. Portnoy has a more unique style which pronanly gives him some extra points.... ------------- 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 14:15
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 16:11
I play drums, I still find Portnoy's parts to be tougher. Especially in Stream of Conciousness and The Dance of Eternity. However, I will admit that Gavin has some quite difficult parts. And yes, I've always though Gavin should try a more unique style.
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 16:36
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 17:05
Portnoy is more about acrobatics, actual physical difficulty... Harrison is about nuances, little details, tough rhythms... I can bet 293718236 USD I don't have that, put in the situation where both had to play in a jazz band, Harrison would do it in a heartbeat, Portnoy would limit himself to the typical swing ride rhythm...
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Posted By: pianomandust
Date Posted: June 03 2010 at 08:47
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I truly believe that Gavin is a more skilled drummer when it comes to sheer technicality. Portnoy is great and plays, well, fast, but Gavin can maintain a different time signature on every limb of his body. I go with Gavin by a long shot! ------------- and then there was music... |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: June 25 2012 at 10:22
| Gavin Harrison. But George wasn't bad too. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:22
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Gavin by an extremely large margin. Portnoy may be a bit more technically proficient, but Gavin's style and approach to drumming is impeccable.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:25
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STOP NECROPOSTING
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:25
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:30
 Sorry, I had to for just this one.  Nice topic. -------------
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:33
It wasn't you. It was the fake Gandalf user. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 14:04
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I hate Portnoy, i think he is overrated. He's so boring. Gavin by a very, very large margin. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 14:43
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I prefer Harrison. They're both technical beasts, but Harrison is just way more interesting. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 14:50
I don't think he's overrated. He WAS a pretty progressive drummer in the 90s, it's just that in the last few DT albums he fell into a sort of pattern or stuck in his ways. That's why I've enjoyed his work in Transatlantic and Neal Morse's solo albums, the music is different than DT so he gets to do different things, though even then you still know what to expect. Portnoy exclaimed that his work on Neal's upcoming solo album in September contains his best work in a long time, and that is not something MP usually says for any forthcoming album with him on it (DT or otherwise, so we'll see). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 15:34
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Yea it all seems the same. Even his early DT work gave me a headache with the bass drums. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 15:39
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As far as a drummer who knows how to really 'rock out', I've always seen Portnoy as the best of the last 30 years.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 15:41
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Brann Dailor. That is all. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 15:49
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Voted Portnoy as his drumming on DT, Transatlantic and some Neal Morse solo albums is outstanding. I've never really noticed the drumming as anything especially spectacular on PT though I do have some of their albums. Can someone point me at a classic Gavin Harrison track or two ? Would be interested to find out what I've been missing out on. ------------- 
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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 16:32
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 22:12
- The Sound Of Muzak - Anesthetize Two classics in my opinion, though some may disagree. There's of course much more, but these two tracks really showcase his unique style and technique. I just really like the sound of the way he plays - very natural, very musical. -------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 22:18
I'm too lazy to think about other PT songs, but nobody listens to Gavin's side project. That is where his pinnacle really is. Gavin Harrison & 05Ric.. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6149" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6149
I personally love their debut the most, but they're all great albums. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 22:25
Hey, thanks for the link Austin. I was aware of his other projects, but never really took the chance at having a listen. I'm going to listen to few tracks of Circles right now, maybe even some live footage if I can find some on youtube. -------------
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 03:20
| I never really got into people loving his early DT drumming so much. My favourite is the middle era or SFaM and SDoIT. I think I&W is his worst because not only does he not do anything notable at any point in the album (besides keeping up with the times in Metropolis I suppose), but he has the worst tone known to man. And the snare trigger is atrocious, especially in Learning to live. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 03:22
Those are two good ones, but people never credit The Creator Has a Mastertape. That's a superb example IMO. |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:48
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Ok, I love me some Porcupine Tree... But... Portnoy is boring? Harrison is more interesting? Harrison is a "technical BEAST?!!!" I bet we set up an "authors" poll with Stephanie Meyers Vs. J.R.R. Tolkien and we'll see similar results, with Meyers winning and people stating some of the same reasons why.... ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List 
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:59
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I'm not that big of a fan of neither bands, but I find Gavin's drumming to be a much more tasteful, and intricate addition to PT, while Portnoy's drumming is a bit too much in my face. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 06:39
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"Stephanie Meyers is more tasteful and J.R.R. Tolkien is too in your face..." ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 08:02
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Harrison for me no real contest Portnoy's ok I guess but I can think of dozens of drummers that I prefer to him ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 13:21
Thanks... I have both of those and having listened again agree they are pretty fine songs with excellent drumming. -------------
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Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:29
| After watching LTE's live in LA dvd, I am so convinced by Portnoy's drumming. That's his best drumming in LTE. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 22:29
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Gavin leading by this much? Max (Fox), have you listened to any of Gavin/05Ric yet? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 23:59
There's actually not that much up on youtube, so I just listened to this track, but I was absolutely blown away by this one. The Bass playing is so uniquely technical and Gavin definitely has a Bruford/ Crimso influenced rhythm going on there - 21/8, I think? Thanks for introducing me to 05ric. Just a phenomenal bass player, I mean he uses like an 8 string bass, the guy is nuts! I'm seriously considering on trying to get my hands on album by these guys.-------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 00:03
Yea sadly there is nothing on Youtube...  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 00:14
Yeah, it's a shame. They should be more known. I'm probably going to ask my local record store owner to order me in a copy of Circles. Having a physical copy of an album just appeals to me more. CD quality is great as well. I'm also one of those guys that likes to study liner notes.  -------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 00:15
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Drop is more emotional while Circles is more metallic. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 02:42
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:48
Harrison------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:55
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Gavin Harrison's technique might be my favorite of any drummer ever. He is the second coming of Neil Peart.
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 16:09
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Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you: http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/" rel="nofollow - http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/  ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:08
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The world usually disagrees with ProgArchives when it comes to DT-related things.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:19
It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:21
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:27
Nice. ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:55
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Chad Smith is listed under the Best Overall Drummers... And why was Peart considered for best drummer for 2012.. It's all a matter of preference. Here, more people enjoy Gavin's drumming. I've already voiced my opinion on Portnoy. He is a good drummer, though i think he is overrated. It's quite annoying how you get all defensive about anyone who disagrees with you. Just makes it easier to troll. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:57
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Vinny Coliauta destroys all anyway. I think Peart is just as overrated as Portnoy and Harrison.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 17:59
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Though i love Harrison, i understand how difficult it is for musicians and bands to emerge among big name artists. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:06
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:10
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I've always enjoy actual band members more than studio/sit-in drummers. Just me though. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:38
Now that you mention it, you're right!
Are you referring to Vinny Colaiuta? I mean he's done studio work, just like GH and MP, but Vinny's been part of Frank Zappa's band, Megadeth, and Herbie Hancock's band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:46
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He was a "sit-in" for Megadeath, he played on 1 album. Under the album's recognition it mentions him as a studio musician. Zappa is fair, great for him. But he is a mainly studio/sit-in musician. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:48
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I wasn't arguing that he isn't a session guy. Just saying, he's been a member of a few bands before. Mike Mangini was more or less a session guy until DT, so now that he's a band member, is he now a better player? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:51
I don't attach skill to more static band members. I just like seeing their writing and playing styles delivered more. I know nothing of Mike's studio material, and i believe a lot/some of the drumming was always decided before he was chosen. So i can't really give my opinion on him specifically. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:54
Well, of course, the members of DT knew MM's ability before he joined, the guy won many awards and broke world records in drumming technique and speed. If you want to check out his previous work, I know he's on James LaBrie's first solo album, as well as the two Mullmuzzler albums. He was also a member of Extreme in the 90s, and a member of Steve Vai's band (oh, six degrees of Zappa). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 18:57
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I knew of his speed awards from YouTube videos and such. Studio playing is the best way to get exposure like Gavin Harrison in Renaissance and Iggy Pop . Interested to hear his writing on DT's upcoming album.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 19:00
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That's cool. I was just letting you know if you ever were interested. I'm also interested to hear what Mangini will add to the new DT album when they go back to the studio this fall. Apparently he's been coming up with ideas for the band, and they've been digging it, so we might see a progression in their sound for the next album (I hope). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 19:01
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Yea that post was a bit unintentionally blunt and mean. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 19:04
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You might really like the first Mullmuzzler album, it's a pretty eclectic album (I haven't heard the second album). And the James LaBrie album is alright if you like DT, good drumming on that one. I don't care for Extreme, and Steve Vai's stuff bores me, except for a few songs on his first album.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 19:22
Me too. DT would do well with some further development to their sound. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 21:02
It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. Period. ------------- |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 02:24
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 06:51
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good? (Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively) |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:18
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Gavin by miles. I happened to find it interesting this exact poll has just been bumped over at The Rush Forum. ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:21
And that is a crime to drummers. MP is so over-rated and boring anymore. His style is nothing more than an extension of Neil Peart. -------------
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:30
You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better? ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 08:01
Great sarcasm. Obviously MP counts, GH solves. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 08:06
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Don't understand the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 08:08
If you mean solves 2 + 2 ... ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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