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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
Perhaps this will explain my appreciation (adulation?) for Harrison a little better:
 

 

It does. Thanks for that. I shall continue to explore his work.Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:


Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.

It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 
Period. 
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)

You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better?

Oh, now I understand! Drumming is merely an exercise in mathematics! Silly me, I always thought there was some kind of human element involved...

I always thought that when people say "Mike Portnoy plays like a soulless machine", it's meant as an (unwarranted, IMO) insult. Only now do I realize that it must be a compliment.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
Perhaps this will explain my appreciation (adulation?) for Harrison a little better:
 
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Don't understand  the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me.
They are both very competent drummers, both are capable of some nice polyrhythm, polymeter and ostinato drumming that form the "bedrock" of complex timesignature music that we all know and love and that people like Bruford and Bozzio are famed for. After that it's down to personal preference and taste - I find too many fills to be wearing and distracting and for that Harrison is more restrained and subtle, complimenting the other instruments rather than fighting them. Portnoy's very good and one day he'll actually hit that huge gong he makes his drum techs cart all over the world, but I prefer Harrison.

Yes. I get that Gavin is a very technical and good drummer but I just get nothing from hearing him. Nothing. Can't explain why. Mike excites me far more.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Don't understand  the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me.
They are both very competent drummers, both are capable of some nice polyrhythm, polymeter and ostinato drumming that form the "bedrock" of complex timesignature music that we all know and love and that people like Bruford and Bozzio are famed for. After that it's down to personal preference and taste - I find too many fills to be wearing and distracting and for that Harrison is more restrained and subtle, complimenting the other instruments rather than fighting them. Portnoy's very good and one day he'll actually hit that huge gong he makes his drum techs cart all over the world, but I prefer Harrison.
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^Just like the old days.Wink
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:


Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.

It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 
Period. 
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)

You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better?
Great sarcasm. Obviously MP counts, GH solves.

If you mean solves 2 + 2 ...
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Don't understand  the Harrison adulation. Portnoy for me.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:


Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.

It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 
Period. 
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)

You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better?

Great sarcasm. Obviously MP counts, GH solves.
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Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:


Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:


Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:


Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.

It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 
Period. 
He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)

You're right. And I also think someone who can count to ten deserves an award just as much as someone who can solve complex equations, because who can say which is objectively better?
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:
http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/
Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.
It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 

Period. 


And that is a crime to drummers. MP is so over-rated and boring anymore. His style is nothing more than an extension of Neil Peart.
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Gavin by miles.

I happened to find it interesting this exact poll has just been bumped over at The Rush Forum.  Wink


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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:
http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/
Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.
It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 

Period. 

He might be influential, but does that mean he is objectively good?

(Hint: Quality can never be measured objectively)
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

The world usually disagrees with ProgArchives when it comes to DT-related things.
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Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Hey Prog Archives...THE WORLD disagrees with you:
http://www.drummagazine.com/about/press-releases/portnoy-back-to-back-drummer-of-the-year/
Wink LOL


It's like you have some kind of agenda to prove that DT are awesome and anybody who disagrees is objectively wrong.
It's because they ARE wrong. Portnoy will be remember as one of the most influential drummers of the last 20 years, while Gavin will be remembered as a good drummer. 

Period. 
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That's cool. I was just letting you know if you ever were interested.I'm also interested to hear what Mangini will add to the new DT album when they go back to the studio this fall. Apparently he's been coming up with ideas for the band, and they've been digging it, so we might see a progression in their sound for the next album (I hope).



Me too. DT would do well with some further development to their sound.
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You might really like the first Mullmuzzler album, it's a pretty eclectic album (I haven't heard the second album). And the James LaBrie album is alright if you like DT, good drumming on that one. I don't care for Extreme, and Steve Vai's stuff bores me, except for a few songs on his first album.
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That's cool. I was just letting you know if you ever were interested.

I'm also interested to hear what Mangini will add to the new DT album when they go back to the studio this fall. Apparently he's been coming up with ideas for the band, and they've been digging it, so we might see a progression in their sound for the next album (I hope).
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