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Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:13
TheGazzardian wrote:
I have so much regret after clicking the play button on that
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Normally I read through all posts in a thread before I make a post. but to be honest, ten seconds of Frippism’s contribution on the first page, Hot Problems, was too much for me. My wife yelled at me: "What kind of sh*t are you listening to?"
So my apologies for posting this, which may have been posted before (I didn’t dare to check). And my apologies for this sh*t music anyway.
He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:23
dtguitarfan wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ Right, number of songs by Joe Satriani you can sing along to in the bath = zero
(that's no slight on either artist just different realistic expectations innit?)
Doesn't mean Coldplay didn't plagiarize him...and doesn't mean Satriani's songs aren't catchy either, you just never hear them on the radio.
And it doesn't mean they did plagiarise him either - nor any of the other people who've used the same chord progression, it's not that unique. The case was dismissed - Satriani couldn't prove they did, Coldplay couldn't prove they didn't. I'm ambivalent to the whole affair since I'm not that interested in either of them, but objectively there isn't enough evidence to make a judgement, especially on an Internet forum, from what I've read people (pre)judged with their hearts and their personal preference for one of the two artists involved.
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 12:30
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dtguitarfan wrote:
Also, speaking of Coldplay, I also liked them up to a certain point when some incidents occurred and after that I couldn't hear them without getting a bad taste in my mouth.
I wasn't aware there was any controversy surrounding them.
Yeah, it was in all the tabloids - apparently, or so I'm lead to believe by the voices in my head, apparently, Chris Martin and some blond actress who was inthat wassname... film, had eaten a spicy bean-burger meal deal in McDonald's and neglected to clear the table after themselves - yup - allegedly it was a right mess - half-eaten fries all over the place, spilt diet cola mixed in with tomato ketchup and BBQ sauce smeared over the table and everything - they didn't even take their tray back. Caused quite a scandal at the time.
A bloody disgrace if you ask me - I burnt my copies of Parachutes and Sliding Doors in protest.
Yep, that was it. It was in the papers for weeks. He seems like such a nice guy, and then he goes and does something like that. Paper serveyerights all over the floor too! He said it wasn't them but they came up with some video footage. Even Joey Barton was shocked and made an appearance on 'Newsnight' with Paxo to talk about it.
Don't know if he ever appologised or not? But I think that was the reason I made that illogical post about Coldplay'
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 13:46
dtguitarfan wrote:
^ No Dean, that's actually not what I was talking about, though I had heard that Chris Martin was quite full of himself and quite a douche before. But that's more like salt on a wound for me.
No, I really didn't want to say anything because I don't want to start an argument, but this is what I'm talking about:
Now, we can have a big argument about whether Colplay did actually plagiarize that song, and as I understand it, there's a third song that is quite similar to both so then it becomes an argument of "well, did they BOTH plagiarize?" But the real thing that bothers me...actually 2 things: 1) Joe Satriani did try to sue Coldplay, and it was months of his lawyer trying to serve them with papers, while they played this game of running and hiding while having their security play keep away. They obviously thought Satriani would run out of money and give up eventually, and to me that's almost as good as an admission of guilt. Eventually (what I heard) they threw some money at him and he did give up. But what really, REALLY bothers me about the whole thing is: 2) Viva La Vida won a frickin' grammy! I've ALWAYS thought the grammys have become a joke, but if a song that is involved in a plagiarism lawsuit wins one? And to top this all off - they play the dang thing 12 times a day...STILL! Salt on the wound for me - I just can't hear them any more without getting a bad taste in my mouth. And I actually did used to like them.
Oh, that's what you're talking about. I knew about that, but I hadn't heard of the Joe Satriani song, only the "third song" you mentioned. That one is called "Songs I Didn't Write" by the Creaky Boards, a Brooklyn-based syrupy indie-pop outfit. I know about them because the band's leader, Andrew Hoepfner, is actually my pastor's nephew!
This is the song in question:
I personally don't hear any plaigiarism, that's a pretty standard chord progression that anyone could have come up with.
^ No Dean, that's actually not what I was talking about, though I had heard that Chris Martin was quite full of himself and quite a douche before. But that's more like salt on a wound for me.No, I really didn't want to say anything because I don't want to start an argument, but this is what I'm talking about:Now, we can have a big argument about whether Colplay did actually plagiarize that song, and as I understand it, there's a third song that is quite similar to both so then it becomes an argument of "well, did they BOTH plagiarize?" But the real thing that bothers me...actually 2 things:1) Joe Satriani did try to sue Coldplay, and it was months of his lawyer trying to serve them with papers, while they played this game of running and hiding while having their security play keep away. They obviously thought Satriani would run out of money and give up eventually, and to me that's almost as good as an admission of guilt. Eventually (what I heard) they threw some money at him and he did give up. But what really, REALLY bothers me about the whole thing is:2) Viva La Vida won a frickin' grammy! I've ALWAYS thought the grammys have become a joke, but if a song that is involved in a plagiarism lawsuit wins one? And to top this all off - they play the dang thing 12 times a day...STILL! Salt on the wound for me - I just can't hear them any more without getting a bad taste in my mouth. And I actually did used to like them.
Oh, that's what you're talking about. I knew about that, but I hadn't heard of the Joe Satriani song, only the "third song" you mentioned. That one is called "Songs I Didn't Write" by the Creaky Boards, a Brooklyn-based syrupy indie-pop outfit. I know about them because the band's leader, Andrew Hoepfner, is actually my pastor's nephew!
This is the song in question:
I personally don't hear any plaigiarism, that's a pretty standard chord progression that anyone could have come up with.
Like I originally said - I don't even care if it is plagiarism any more. I'm not as much of a fan of Joe Satriani as I used to be (I think I outgrew him), and yes, it's possible that's such a common chord progression that 3 bands/individuals came up with the same melody. But what bothers me is: 1) how Coldplay handled the situation, and 2) the song won an award.
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Posted: June 28 2012 at 15:43
dtguitarfan wrote:
Like I originally said - I don't even care if it is plagiarism any more. I'm not as much of a fan of Joe Satriani as I used to be (I think I outgrew him), and yes, it's possible that's such a common chord progression that 3 bands/individuals came up with the same melody. But what bothers me is: 1) how Coldplay handled the situation, and 2) the song won an award.
Someone accused them of plagiarism while they're busy promoting their latest album so they defend themselves. The bare-faced bloody temerity of it!!!! How dare they be so defensive when such a "respected" musician takes them to court over something they believed they wrote! Man, how do they sleep at night?
On piles of cash I shouldn't wonder.
...or perhaps it was just EMI suits vs. Sony suits.
That reminds me - the Grammy awards. That's the biggest disgrace in musical history: "let's all worship the almighty $!"
trans: dream theater didn't win this year
Newsflash - they sucked before that happened. Look, even YOU have to admit that it's pretty stupid that a band that is NOT metal won the BEST METAL award? But I knew that was probably going to be the outcome as soon as I saw who else was nominated, because all you have to do is think about $ and who has the most of it, and that's who wins. Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that they decided to have a Prog category in the grammys. You know what would happen? 3 legitimate prog acts would get nominated...and Lada Gaga would get nominated, and she'd win.
I think they should rename the Grammys and call them the Moneys. And then they can rename the awards like so: "This year I won 3 Moneys: 1 for having the most money while playing something that resembled rock, 1 for having the most money while shooting a video, and 1 for having the most money and dancing around while other people played something that resembled music."
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