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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2012 at 00:09
Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Uhhh, no, Leonardo had no female lovers of record ever.  He had several close male apprentices, one of whom he bequeathed the Mona Lisa to upon his death.  He was also accused of practicing sodomy but the charges were dismissed (and some said it was because one of the corespondents' family exerted its influence.  Scholars are divided upon whether he was celibate or remained a practicing homosexual, but none have accused him of having female lovers.

I've red an article from an Italian scholar that dismissed the claims that he was gay, but I can't seem to find it now. I don't suppose you are just going to believe me out of the blue. Unhappy Still, him being celibate is still much more believable for me than him being a homosexual, these things were not seen as favorably or as naturally as they are today and I doubt that he would have lived until such a late age with such a secret, in Italy, no less, the heart of the Church!

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He probably lived like his bitter rival Michelangelo, a celibate man who wrote many homoerotic love poems, but was said to be probably celibate.

Those gays were probably too afraid to have at it in those days since it was the death penalty for such sexual play.


Yeah, Michelangelo I'm not so sure about as Leo; he was such a drama queen and painted women that looked way too much like men in my eyes. There are way more substance for Michelangelo's case IMO, but Leonardo is THE absolute man, a much more remarkable person for the gay movement. 

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Also, we must stay on top of the research into pre-natal gayness.  This just in: 

Italian researchers have made a new discovery that solidifies the understand that homosexuality — at least in men — has a strong genetic component. Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist, it does demonstrate what role genetics play.


I don't know, so many of these researches seem to be a dead end. . . And I've never seen any of those "scientists" going through any competent interviewer as I've seen the others that claim that hormones and social background / experiences. i'm not ruling out the possibility, I'm just way more skeptical about genetic  "evidence" of gayness; after all, we've all been hearing that science is on the "brink of discovering" the genetic reason for homosexuality for the past 15 years or so and, besides, it does not explain why women are homosexual.



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Uhhh, no, Leonardo had no female lovers of record ever.  He had several close male apprentices, one of whom he bequeathed the Mona Lisa to upon his death.  He was also accused of practicing sodomy but the charges were dismissed (and some said it was because one of the corespondents' family exerted its influence.  Scholars are divided upon whether he was celibate or remained a practicing homosexual, but none have accused him of having female lovers.

He probably lived like his bitter rival Michelangelo, a celibate man who wrote many homoerotic love poems, but was said to be probably celibate.

Those gays were probably too afraid to have at it in those days since it was the death penalty for such sexual play.

Also, we must stay on top of the research into pre-natal gayness.  This just in: 

Gay GeneItalian researchers have made a new discovery that solidifies the understand that homosexuality — at least in men — has a strong genetic component. Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist, it does demonstrate what role genetics play.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2012 at 22:14
Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

EDIT:  Zoiks, that's 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back!!!


Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Frankly, I'm tired of hearing people's sexual preferences.  I don't care.  I don't know how it is in other countries, but I'm tired of looking at the news to find out so-and-so is gay, or that so-and-so is denying being gay.  Why are we so interested in this?  I'm certainly not.  My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off.  At the same time, I'm very sorry we even live in a country that dictates what is and isn't a marriage.



I think that's part of the point though, Epig (and I have since read the whole thread to learn that you are against homosexuality on moral grounds).  You don't need to hear about people's sexual preference because your preference is the default.  Some people who are "other" feel alone (which heterosexuals don't feel because they are the norm).  So, those who feel "other" feel comfort in knowing that there are other "other" people like them.  The quantity of kisses and looks and hearts and roses on TV for hetero people are uncountable.  That's why LGBT want to see some representation of themselves on a show, like Ellen, or whoever.  There is growing evidence that gayness is genetic and if that is true then there are tiny babies being born who are predestined to become gay and they will need positive role models as well.

I saw a recent show in L.A. called Gay Historgy, which was a very interesting show because it celebrated Gay people of note through the centuries.  90% of these gay people are not known to be gay in history because that part of their life has been scrubbed from the official record as being in "poor taste" to talk about.  Now, in our post modern world, there are people who want to redress this imbalance.  Those who fall in the spectrum of the "norm" have good role models all day long, and have good reflections to compare their lives with.  It's those who are living in isolation who crave knowledge that there are other people living with the same story.

I was surprised about Leonardo Da Vinci!  I mean, he's only the greatest genius who ever lived!

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I don't know much about female homosexuality, but male homosexuality is largely caused by either the "in uthero" environment (excessive/more than usual female hormones inside the uterus when the buy was there) or the social environment; there have been significant researches regarding the part genes play on that, but so far nothing has been proven.

As for Leonardo, don't believe everything they say. Leonardo was married to his job(s) in the first place and, second, he had some (female, I must say) lovers. Just because he enjoys the company of other men more than he enjoys women's it does no mean he was gay; don't most married men prefer to hang around their pals and sons than their wives? Wink


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EDIT:  Zoiks, that's 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back!!!

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:


I just wanted to recognize and honor LGBT prog musicians on this site as kind of a "good thing" to do because of all the negativity regarding the community in the news lately (the suicides and whatever else). I just wanted to be positive.


that's good and noble pursuit.  It's sad that kids commit suicide because they feel so "wrong" and "different".  I suppose this is the era of good role models "coming out".  

I was talking to a facebook friend who is also a progressive rock artist in a band with his boyfriend.  We were talking about the almost total lack of LBGT presence in progressive rock.

I think part of that is because Progressive Rock often deals with weightier, conceptual matters in contrast to popular music which is basically about Cars, Love and Partying.    I agree with Epi that music is intrinsically NOT Christian or Gay or Auburn, but it can deal with subject matter on those elements, which can unite groups - like Affectionates For Auburn


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

for example you cannot "get" Phideaux's sexual preference from listening to Snowtorch or Doomsday Afternoon.

I wondered if someone would bring me into this...  :-)
[Thanks Dean for not outing any LBGT prog musicians in this most shaggy dogged thread.]


Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Frankly, I'm tired of hearing people's sexual preferences.  I don't care.  I don't know how it is in other countries, but I'm tired of looking at the news to find out so-and-so is gay, or that so-and-so is denying being gay.  Why are we so interested in this?  I'm certainly not.  My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off.  At the same time, I'm very sorry we even live in a country that dictates what is and isn't a marriage.



I think that's part of the point though, Epig (and I have since read the whole thread to learn that you are against homosexuality on moral grounds).  You don't need to hear about people's sexual preference because your preference is the default.  Some people who are "other" feel alone (which heterosexuals don't feel because they are the norm).  So, those who feel "other" feel comfort in knowing that there are other "other" people like them.  The quantity of kisses and looks and hearts and roses on TV for hetero people are uncountable.  That's why LGBT want to see some representation of themselves on a show, like Ellen, or whoever.  There is growing evidence that gayness is genetic and if that is true then there are tiny babies being born who are predestined to become gay and they will need positive role models as well.

I saw a recent show in L.A. called Gay Historgy, which was a very interesting show because it celebrated Gay people of note through the centuries.  90% of these gay people are not known to be gay in history because that part of their life has been scrubbed from the official record as being in "poor taste" to talk about.  Now, in our post modern world, there are people who want to redress this imbalance.  Those who fall in the spectrum of the "norm" have good role models all day long, and have good reflections to compare their lives with.  It's those who are living in isolation who crave knowledge that there are other people living with the same story.

I was surprised about Leonardo Da Vinci!  I mean, he's only the greatest genius who ever lived!





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2012 at 05:29
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

And people wonder why I always use Times New Roman.

Serif fonts = clarity, of which I am a champion.


Serif fonts for print clarity. Sans-serif font for on-screen readability.


My font at 3 isn't readable? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2012 at 04:59
Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

And David Bowie is bisexual too.

NO!!!! REALLY?Shocked

Actually even though he said so in the seventies  there is no real evidence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2012 at 19:45
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

And people wonder why I always use Times New Roman.

Serif fonts = clarity, of which I am a champion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2012 at 19:09
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

And people wonder why I always use Times New Roman.

Serif fonts = clarity, of which I am a champion.


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

And people wonder why I always use Times New Roman.

Serif fonts = clarity, of which I am a champion.


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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Wow..Nektar are a British band....sheesh...who knew?
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Champion the wonder hoooorse......
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

converting the font to Times New Roman...
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I didn't type lol, I typed IoI.
 
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Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?

Don't worry, not everybody can understand the internets, IoI. Only Gore and some c**ts like myself.

You do know that is a rude word?

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

converting the font to Times New Roman...
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I didn't type lol, I typed IoI.
 
Big smile

Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?
Yup... I thought it ironic but still terrible... yup... and yup.

Well we got that cleared up!Approve
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

converting the font to Times New Roman...
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I didn't type lol, I typed IoI.
 
Big smile

Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?
Yup... I thought it ironic but still terrible... yup... and yup.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

converting the font to Times New Roman...
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I didn't type lol, I typed IoI.
 
Big smile

Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

converting the font to Times New Roman...
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I didn't type lol, I typed IoI.
 
Big smile

Kinda cheatin'......but I quite like the video...a bit like the Boosh.....and ioi is meaningless?
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