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Zombywoof
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Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:28 |
I love King Crimson, but they aren't my favorite band. Where do I vote?
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:46 |
OK. I consider myself a fan of King Crimson, but they aren't my very favourite band, so I guess I'm voting for ItCotCK on this one.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:55 |
Same for me as above so not sure whether I'm voting in the right poll. Anyway it's ITCOTCK for me although Red is not far behind. If you include Larks, then you have their three best albums imo.
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b_olariu
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 02:44 |
Red by far
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:28 |
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K man. I guess the question mark through me off. Rhetorical question i suppose.
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I'm sorry. That got far more heated (on my part) than I intended. My bad.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:46 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Horizons wrote:
No. I think Red is a very consistent and powerful album. Unlike In the Court of the Crimson King. |
I don't see the difference. |
In consistency and power? Well both are subjective. By "power" i'm talking about it's emotional aspect. How it makes me feel and such. Fallen Angel, Starless, and even Providence posses these characters that seem to strike a certain chord with me. They just make me feel good. Obviously it's a personal situation.
I don't like Talk To the Wind, the title track is only fairly good (around 3.5*). Moonchild is growing on me seeing i've never really listened to it before. Leaving Epitaph and Schizoid Man, the latter being worthy of the classic title.
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Well if it's subjective then you cannot argue with my initial point. Red can also be described as overrated. Now that was a pointless discussion. |
About your so called argument, i must agree it is subjective, only Horizons didn't think Red was overrated, and i don't too.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:54 |
sagichim wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Horizons wrote:
No. I think Red is a very consistent and powerful album. Unlike In the Court of the Crimson King. |
I don't see the difference. |
In consistency and power? Well both are subjective. By "power" i'm talking about it's emotional aspect. How it makes me feel and such. Fallen Angel, Starless, and even Providence posses these characters that seem to strike a certain chord with me. They just make me feel good. Obviously it's a personal situation.
I don't like Talk To the Wind, the title track is only fairly good (around 3.5*). Moonchild is growing on me seeing i've never really listened to it before. Leaving Epitaph and Schizoid Man, the latter being worthy of the classic title.
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Well if it's subjective then you cannot argue with my initial point. Red can also be described as overrated. Now that was a pointless discussion. |
About your so called argument, i must agree it is subjective, only Horizons didn't think Red was overrated, and i don't too.
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Most people don't. I don't particularly care either way. I don't use the overrated term anyway.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:59 |
Don't you have an album that you think is overrated?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:11 |
sagichim wrote:
Don't you have an album that you think is overrated?
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I have albums I like less than others seem to.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:22 |
It's ok to use the O word.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:30 |
sagichim wrote:
It's ok to use the O word.
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I don' think so. But anyway i do not think that Red is overrated. I just do not like it as much as the majority. Why does that make Red overrated?
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:47 |
It doesn't. I feel when an album is highly regarded and i dislike it completely, then it is overrated. Anyway it is subjective like we agreed before.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 05:23 |
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I feel when an album is highly regarded and i dislike it completely, then it is overrated. |
No. That is just a difference of opinion.
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digdug
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 10:47 |
In the Court is a masterpiece for me Red is mostly meh
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 11:14 |
Red gets my vote.
ITCOTCK is an excellent debut, though.
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Posted: April 23 2012 at 12:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I feel when an album is highly regarded and i dislike it completely, then it is overrated. |
No. That is just a difference of opinion. |
Yep. I would say that overrated is not a good term to use for cases when it's merely a subjective value judgement.
Snow Dog wrote:
sagichim wrote:
It's ok to use the O word.
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I don' think so. But anyway i do not think that Red
is overrated. I just do not like it as much as the majority. Why does
that make Red overrated? |
I'm fine with the word overrated, but it does depend upon the context. It should be used in a more objective manner and be more specific than general. For instance, one could make a case for a piece of music being overrated within a framework of analysis/ according to certain criteria. For example, if one person says that he/ she is giving an album five stars because it deserves it as the first piece of music of its kind, but there was an earlier album that ploughed the same musical territory, then one could say that it was overrated. Or someone praises a piece of music for its originality and vision, and yet that piece was lifted from another composer, then one could say that the person has overrated it. It generally works better when talking about individuals misconceptions when judging a work rather than pretty nebulous groups of people. If it's a common misconception that tends to put a work on too high a pedestal, then that can work for saying that groups overrate something. Saying that people overrate or underrate something when it's just because one does not have the same enjoyment is misguided, and can come across as very arrogant. I have used the word for shock value on occasion when I know that it's just a subjective value judgement, but sometimes I have seen reviews that indicate to me that they are under or overrating music due to a lack of knowledge about the artistic "genre" and the history of the work, and sometimes because I've thought that they are not knowledgeable enough about composition and musicianship or technicality generally if talking outside music.... EDIT: Back on topic. I chose Red. Neither are my favourite KC albums though.
Edited by Logan - April 23 2012 at 12:32
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 24 2012 at 08:24 |
In the Court of the Crimson King over Red. The title song and "21st Century Schizoid Man" are two of my favorites. But they are two starkly different albums, and I have to be in a certain mood to hear either.
By the way, both albums are sadly underrated or ridiculously overrated, depending on whom you reference.
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Posted: April 25 2012 at 05:38 |
ITCOTCK
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