Only for n o t KC fans
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Topic: Only for n o t KC fans
Posted By: Varon
Subject: Only for n o t KC fans
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 13:38
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PLEASE vote only if King Crimson is not your favourite band))) ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 14:29
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Court I guess ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 14:41
Protesting! This is foul discrimination! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Varon wrote:Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:03
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In my opinion, In the Court of the Crimson King is vastly overrated. Red is great though. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:08
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In that case, surely Red is just as overrated? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:11
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No. I think Red is a very consistent and powerful album. Unlike In the Court of the Crimson King. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:16
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KC are not my favorite band...well my favorite band can be only one, regardless which one.... But ITCOTCK is one of the best albums ever and KC are in my top something. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:18
I don't understand the difference. What has "powerful" got to do with how high an album is appreciated? How is it more consisent? Is that a good thing if it is consistently dull?
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:26
In consistency and power? Well both are subjective. By "power" i'm talking about it's emotional aspect. How it makes me feel and such. Fallen Angel, Starless, and even Providence posses these characters that seem to strike a certain chord with me. They just make me feel good. Obviously it's a personal situation. I don't like Talk To the Wind, the title track is only fairly good (around 3.5*). Moonchild is growing on me seeing i've never really listened to it before. Leaving Epitaph and Schizoid Man, the latter being worthy of the classic title.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:28
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I can't really choose. Potato potato - with slightly different cooking techniques mind you. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:33
Well if it's subjective then you cannot argue with my initial point. Red can also be described as overrated. Now that was a pointless discussion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:35
I wasn't arguing  You posed a question and i answered it. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:38
Of course you argued. I knew the answer anyway. Yes Red can be described as overrated if ITCOTCK is. I wasn't seeking an answer at all.------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:44
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Red, I guess. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 15:47
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K man. I guess the question mark through me off. Rhetorical question i suppose.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 16:02
This, but my favourite KC album is Larks'! ------------- 
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 16:02
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Red. Today anyway. Tomorrow I might say ITCOTCK. Not much between them IMO. -------------  
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 16:09
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King Crimson is actually amongst my least favourite bands, so I can vote in this.
Both are 3* albums and are the best Crimson did, but In the Court has Epitaph and the title track and that tips the balance for me. Mind you, it also has Moonchild...........! ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 16:30
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Two of my favorite King Crimson pieces. I like "In the Court of the Crimson King" slightly more because of that daring Mellotron theme. Edit: Damn it, I was thinking of the individual tracks, not the album. In that context, toss a coin. I like both about the same. Both have wastes of time ("Moonchild" and "Providence"), but both are excellent. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 16:46
Certainly is! ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:28
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I love King Crimson, but they aren't my favorite band. Where do I vote? ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:46
| OK. I consider myself a fan of King Crimson, but they aren't my very favourite band, so I guess I'm voting for ItCotCK on this one. |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 22 2012 at 21:55
| Same for me as above so not sure whether I'm voting in the right poll. Anyway it's ITCOTCK for me although Red is not far behind. If you include Larks, then you have their three best albums imo. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 02:44
| Red by far |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:28
I'm sorry. That got far more heated (on my part) than I intended. My bad. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:46
About your so called argument, i must agree it is subjective, only Horizons didn't think Red was overrated, and i don't too. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:54
Most people don't. I don't particularly care either way. I don't use the overrated term anyway. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 03:59
| Don't you have an album that you think is overrated? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:11
I have albums I like less than others seem to. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:22
| It's ok to use the O word. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:30
I don' think so. But anyway i do not think that Red is overrated. I just do not like it as much as the majority. Why does that make Red overrated? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 04:47
| It doesn't. I feel when an album is highly regarded and i dislike it completely, then it is overrated. Anyway it is subjective like we agreed before. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 05:23
No. That is just a difference of opinion. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 10:47
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In the Court is a masterpiece for me Red is mostly meh ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 11:14
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Red gets my vote.
ITCOTCK is an excellent debut, though. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 23 2012 at 12:31
Yep. I would say that overrated is not a good term to use for cases when it's merely a subjective value judgement.
I'm fine with the word overrated, but it does depend upon the context. It should be used in a more objective manner and be more specific than general. For instance, one could make a case for a piece of music being overrated within a framework of analysis/ according to certain criteria. For example, if one person says that he/ she is giving an album five stars because it deserves it as the first piece of music of its kind, but there was an earlier album that ploughed the same musical territory, then one could say that it was overrated. Or someone praises a piece of music for its originality and vision, and yet that piece was lifted from another composer, then one could say that the person has overrated it. It generally works better when talking about individuals misconceptions when judging a work rather than pretty nebulous groups of people. If it's a common misconception that tends to put a work on too high a pedestal, then that can work for saying that groups overrate something. Saying that people overrate or underrate something when it's just because one does not have the same enjoyment is misguided, and can come across as very arrogant. I have used the word for shock value on occasion when I know that it's just a subjective value judgement, but sometimes I have seen reviews that indicate to me that they are under or overrating music due to a lack of knowledge about the artistic "genre" and the history of the work, and sometimes because I've thought that they are not knowledgeable enough about composition and musicianship or technicality generally if talking outside music.... EDIT: Back on topic. I chose Red. Neither are my favourite KC albums though. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 08:24
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In the Court of the Crimson King over Red. The title song and "21st Century Schizoid Man" are two of my favorites. But they are two starkly different albums, and I have to be in a certain mood to hear either.
By the way, both albums are sadly underrated or ridiculously overrated, depending on whom you reference. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 05:38
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ITCOTCK
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